Welcome to MonsterFishKeepers.com

The members of this forum have come together to share our knowledge and experiences of fish keeping. We want to answer your questions, offer advice and fill the galleries with pictures of the fish we have all grown to love.

We are a unique community of Fish Keepers who seriously take our hobby to extremes and the NEXT level. The majority of our fish collections include RARE & EXOTIC Species of all sizes, BIG FISH with BIG APPETITES and BIG TANKS. It's not easy for most people or other "regular" fish keepers to understand why we maintain this type of collection and spare no expense on this fascinating hobby.

Hopefully, through this site and discussion forums we can encourage the next generation of Monster Fish Keepers to have the same passion and love we have for the hobby and our Monster Fish .

As one of the founding members, I personally invite you to register and join us today. Currently you are viewing this site as our guest which only gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and photo galleries.

Registration is FREE and very easy! When you register, you'll have instant access to....

  • • Post and participate in discussions about your passion for fish keeping
  • • Have your own Photo Gallery and the ability to upload your images
  • • View and comment on the gallery
  • • Participate in MFK contests, promotions, and discounts
  • • Use of private messaging to communicate with other community members


  • We're constantly striving to improve our community to help make your Monster Fish Keeping hobby fulfilling and interesting. Comments are welcome.


    WE ARE MONSTER FISH KEEPERS!

    -MFK STAFF



    Sign Up

    Finally going salt and I need Help

    Discussion in 'General Salt' started by caribemob, Feb 21, 2012.

    1. caribemob

      caribemob MFK Members

      Joined:
      Feb 24, 2008
      Messages:
      2,396
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      36
      Location:
      philadelphia
      Hey, I have about ten tanks in my fish room and finally I want to turn one of my 125gal tanks into a saltwater tank.
      1.My first question is a 100 pounds of live rock ok or do I need exactly 125pounds of live rock?
      2. I don't want to setup a sump , however I will by a protein skimmer( the best one) for my tank, I also have 3 unused aqua clear 110 and a xp4. Do I need those with the protein skimmer or what?and what media would I put in those HO filters? I'm really confused on FOWLR filtration without usage of a sump. Need help

      3. I only want one or two fish. A trigger( undulated, or a Clown) and some type of grouper and that's it, so could this even work in this type setup

      All help is appreciated thanks
       
    2. xEchOx

      xEchOx MFK Members

      Joined:
      Mar 2, 2006
      Messages:
      2,139
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      36
      Occupation:
      Cardiac Sonography
      Location:
      ND
      Usually, the more live rock, the better. This is because the live rock is going to function as your biological filtration. If you do things right, it is possible to achieve denitrification (break down of nitrates). 100 lbs is a good start though, and you can certainly add as you go.

      If you are going to set up a FOWLR tank, extra biological filtration is unnecessary. Canisters and HOB filters can be used as mechanical filtration though. You are going to want some strong powerheads to create a good amount of current to eliminate any dead spots or stagnant flow in the tank. That might not sound tough, but if you stack 100lbs of live rock on top of each other, flow gets diverted, redirected and you'll need strong powerheads to get around that.

      As for the stocking, I'm definitely not the person to ask. I have 2 clowns and 2 talbot damsels, lol.

      Check out this thread on FOWLR, maybe help you understand a little better. :D
      http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/fish/157-converting-from-freshwater-to-saltwater.html
       
    3. kevinfleming21

      kevinfleming21 Jurassic Aquatics

      Joined:
      Jun 8, 2010
      Messages:
      10,763
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      0
      Occupation:
      Mod Squad
      Location:
      Chandler, AZ
      How often would you water change a salt water tank? I am thinking about converting my 300 to salt.
       
    4. caribemob

      caribemob MFK Members

      Joined:
      Feb 24, 2008
      Messages:
      2,396
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      36
      Location:
      philadelphia
      Hope I can get more help from this forum. Thanks. I really need to cross over the right way
       
    5. Wiggles92

      Wiggles92 MFK Leaders
      Staff Member

      Joined:
      Apr 25, 2009
      Messages:
      6,164
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      0
      Location:
      Pennsylvania
      1. Yes, 100 lbs. of live rock will be fine provided that it's highly porous; if it's on the denser side then you might even need more than 125 lbs. of live rock. The porosity of the rock determines how much surface area there is for the beneficial bacteria to live on, so that's why you can get away with less rock if its highly porous. The "one pound of rock per gallon" rule is merely a suggestion, and some systems will need more while others will be able to get by with less.
      2. I wouldn't use the XP4 unless you're extremely vigilant about your maintenance; canister filters turn into nitrate factories in saltwater if one doesn't frequently clean them. Consider using two of the AC110s for mechanical filtration (and chemical, if desired) and the third one for a refugium in order to help with the nitrates and phosphates; you can also put SeaChem Purigen in the filters in place of carbon because its "rechargeable" and works very well for combating nitrates and phosphates.
      3. I think that you can easily pull of that combination provided that you go with a smaller species of grouper. The main thing will be ensuring that the vast majority of the food scraps get cleaned up in order to keep the bio-load down since those two fishes can be messy eaters.

      You would determine your water change frequency through testing. Some people can get away with less frequent water changes while others must do more frequent water changes. It really comes down to your livestock, filtration (including live rock and protein skimmer), and how much you feed (and if you overfeed).
       
    6. Purevil21

      Purevil21 MFK Members

      Joined:
      Aug 30, 2011
      Messages:
      163
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      0
      Occupation:
      API Inspector
      Location:
      Lakeland, FL
      Pretty dead nuts on. I would add that in my experience though 1lb/gallon has been a barebones minimum. You can get away with less, but I would try to get a little closer to 1.5-2/gallon. Especially if the plan is to keep fish with a high bio-load such as groupers and triggers. As for the water changes, there is absolutely no way to know until you've had the tank running. You should also remember that it is going to change with the tank, you may eventually reach a point where the tank hits cruise control and you have set intervals. As long as the tank is growing and changing, your maintenance requirements are going to change too.
       
    7. caribemob

      caribemob MFK Members

      Joined:
      Feb 24, 2008
      Messages:
      2,396
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      36
      Location:
      philadelphia
      What's a good skimmer for that size tank and can it sit on the side of the tank or does it have to hang on. Remember I don't want to do a sump. Because I have no room. Fish occupy all the tanks next to or below this tank i am converting. And what's the best Live rock website as far as prices? Some of these sites are at 7 bucks a pound, whoa lol.


      Sent from my iPhone using MonsterAquariaNetwork app
       
    8. yzf450motoxrider

      yzf450motoxrider MFK Members

      Joined:
      Apr 15, 2009
      Messages:
      193
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      0
      Location:
      CT
    9. BigCountry

      BigCountry MFK Members

      Joined:
      Mar 6, 2009
      Messages:
      727
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      0
      Occupation:
      Software Engineer
      Location:
      Charlotte, NC
      Predator salt tank, I like it :D Red Flag, Panther grouper would look awesome in a 125....maybe throw in an Ghost eel :D

      [​IMG]

      [​IMG]

      [​IMG]

      100lbs of rock to start would be nice. It's not exactly cheap unless you can find someone breaking down a tank on CL, so 100lbs is a great way to start a 125 if you can afford it. I scored my live rock via CL at $2.40 a lb, and it was premium rock, so keep prowling it until you find someone. :D

      If your not running a sump, you will need a HOB Skimmer, I recommend Reef Octopus, this model in particular would be good for your tank:

      http://www.aquacave.com/Reef-Octopus-BH-2000-Hang-on-Back-Protein-Skimmer-by-CoralVue-P2276C634.aspx

      Since your not growing coral you will not need any real lights, so that's saves you a TON of cash. Lighting a 6' tank for coral is not cheap...trust me...I am in the process of doing that now...lol

      You might want to invest in 2 950GPH+- powerheads, which are cheap. Sell one of your canisters maybe to buy them. Mount them to the top middle of the tank, opposite sides and point them at each other. And I think you would be set.

      And remember, live rock takes a few weeks to cycle versus a few days with canister filers. That's what I learned anyway when I switched over. So be patient once you get all the rock in the tank.

      Enjoy the ride man! Salt ROCKS.
      :D
       
    10. caribemob

      caribemob MFK Members

      Joined:
      Feb 24, 2008
      Messages:
      2,396
      Likes Received:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      36
      Location:
      philadelphia
      Thanks for all this info please keep it coming. Those where some nice fish. Like I said I def. want a clown trigger or a undulated trigger. With a small eel and real cool grouper that doesn't get big. I will look on Craig list and see for Live rock, however is there any site that has the best prices? Also is my fish going to raise a high bio- load?


      Sent from my iPhone using MonsterAquariaNetwork app
       

    Share This Page

    zoomed.com
    tfhmagazine.com
    hikariusa.com
    aqaimports.com
    Store