Post all your SHOVEL NOSE CATS HERE!!!
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Ok, I'' play.wednesday13 , your turn
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Ultra collection.
Thebiggerthebetter I have been waiting on your pics !
Big tsn, small tsn, rtc, rip saw catfish, lima... seen everything here. Great post.
What is the exact species for that fish (1st-4th picture)? Beautiful looking catfish! Looks like hybrid beetwen Pseudoplatystoma sp. and Leiarius sp. to me.Ok, I'' play.
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Is that Pseudoplatystoma reticulatum?Ok, I'' play.
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Thanks.
If you don't mind me asking again about your specimen.
Is that P. reticulatum on first picture?
And the 2nd and 3rd picture, are they P. fasciatum? or P. punctifer?
Very nice catfishes by the way!
I wonder how old is your ripsaw catfish, it looks pretty big!!! dang
Good eye. Father is supposedly Leiarius marmoratus. Mother is supposedly P. fasciatum.
I'd think so but Wednesday13 teaches that the pattern is not always reliable or rather unreliable? He says the way to distinguish is by the shape of the snout, dorsal view. Have you seen Wednesday13's hand drawing of fasciatum vs. tigrinum vs. reticulatum snout profile? His TSN experience vastly supersedes mine.
Thanks! I think all three TSN are fasciatum, again going on the stripe pattern alone. I wonder what
wednesday13
thinks.I believe you can forget about punctifer. I'm not aware of any keepers. Same for others - orinicoense, metaense, magdaleniatum. Also see my post #31, page 4 in this stickie http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/tsn-id-chart-pseudoplatystoma.322161/page-4
I'm only aware of the 4 TSN spp people have. Perhaps 99% of all TSN spp sold are fasciatum, then reticulatum and tigrinum, and I've only ever seen two corruscans here on MFK and nowhere else.
That ripsaw is ~6 years old, 3'. I recently rescued another 3'-er but 25 years old. It sat for 20 last years in a 6'x2'x2' and average ammonia of 0.25-0.5 ppm, again, over the years.
this guy looks like my retic
.... ive learned of a couple farms puttin out hybrids for food production so the debate is almost endless now lol... and i think u got me beat over there TBTH, everyones lookin most exellent! that leixfaci is a show stopper . i appreciate all the praise my friend, just been lucky enough 2 aquire some diff sp. over the years and view em side by side enough to see a difference lol... my monsters ate/tore through their 1400 gal liner recently so been embarassed to post my ghetto blaster temp pool their in now haha... ill try and get some decent shots of my guys up here...
First I saw it at first glance, I thought it was the real-rare Perrunichtys perruno in adult form (by its characteristic feature of body shape and fin), but when I saw its body spot, I was convinced that must be a hybrid, something between shovelnose and achara, but it still very beautiful-bizzare-rare looking catfish by the way. I never see that catfish at LFS here, in fact this is the first time I saw it.
Not yet know about that hand drawing, willing to see it and learn from his experiences on shovelnose identification.
About your P. reticulatum-supposed fish, I also judge by its body pattern at first, about density of the pattern. But thing that puzzles me more, is comparison table of Pseudoplatystoma morphological, made by BUITRAGO-SUÁREZ and BURR on their journal "Taxonomy of the catfish genus Pseudoplatystoma Bleeker (Siluriformes: Pimelodidae) with recognition of eight species" table 9, page 35th.
On that table, they told that P. reticulatum shouldn't have "pale vertical bar", but photo of dead P. reticulatum specimen at figure 18, page 17th, clearly has "pale vertical bar" (just like yours, and many many other P. reticulatum-supposed that I've ever seen too)
So what is actually BUITRAGO-SUÁREZ and BURR mean on "pale vertical bar"?
Because I assume it means vertical-white line pattern on body.
And I just want to know whether some of your collections are actually P. reticulatum, or P. fasciatum instead (because it clearly has "pale vertical bar").
So it makes everything clear for me that the pattern can't be use as distinction between reticulatum and fasciatum.
Yap, couldn't agree more with you, perhaps most of all shovelnose sold here recently, was P. fasciatum. Even just for truly P. tigrinum, or P. reticulatum, are quite rare here, and P. corruscans is considered as the holy grail of shovelnose catfish here.
Whatttt??? 25 years old niger? dang... But lucky for her still survive, and already get decent place now.
Is your P. reticulatum also has pale vertical bar on its body?View attachment 1144643
this guy looks like my retic
Because on your previous pics (TSN ID thread), I can't see view from the side of your P. reticulatum.
Can't wait to see recent pic of your shovelnose collections by the way
Willing to see the difference between each species clearly.
