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i looked in the camera thread but everything was at lease 1000$+ with lenses..

what are some good cameras (digital slr or point and shoot) that can get somewhat close shots, with fast shutter speed so images are not blurry. (ie. fish swimming).

and a few quick question, what exactly does megapixels do?
and when it says 18-55mm lenses, is is that how close up it can focus on?

p.s. 400-600$ is what i consider decent.

i found http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7026069&type=product&id=1099394810083 and http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8139169&type=product&id=1158323379076

do these look good?
 

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A wise man taught me, to only purchase important items 1 time. Buy the cam you will have for the rest of your life, or at least many many years to come. With your budget, you could get a nice used camera that fits the bill.
 

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bluehairman;2073837; said:
i looked in the camera thread but everything was at lease 1000$+ with lenses..

what are some good cameras (digital slr or point and shoot) that can get somewhat close shots, with fast shutter speed so images are not blurry. (ie. fish swimming).

and a few quick question, what exactly does megapixels do?
and when it says 18-55mm lenses, is is that how close up it can focus on?

p.s. 400-600$ is what i consider decent.

i found http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7026069&type=product&id=1099394810083 and http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8139169&type=product&id=1158323379076

do these look good?
I'm a beginner as well so forgive me-
More people will chime in sooner than later I'm sure...

Point and shoot wise or camera in generally-
I'm a canon guy-
Other's are Nikon guys-
So suggestions will go both ways here.....You will have to make that decision based on what you see

Now I like point and shoot wise the G9 from the canon line-
DLSR wise-I tend to also like canon products-canon 400D is what I use....But the newer XSI is what I would buy right now if I didn't have the money for the new 40D....
The 400D that I use can be found used in good shape for pretty cheap now a days....The XSI and 40D will cost some change...
Lenses are not cheap and one only gets what they pay for in this dept.....
I have learned a tough lesson here and now will only buy canon's L series lenes---But once again not cheap----



The more experience will be along sometime------
 

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Aquatic-Photography.com Make sure you sign up here too...This is an MFK sister site...They specialize in photography. The real pros are found there ;) (Most of them are probably members here too, lol) Anything you can conjure up, will get handled swiftly over there.
 

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bigspizz;2073903; said:
Aquatic-Photography.com Make sure you sign up here too...This is an MFK sister site...They specialize in photography. The real pros are found there ;) (Most of them are probably members here too, lol) Anything you can conjure up, will get handled swiftly over there.
True-
I tend to overlook that site with all the help we have here though....
Good lookin out man..
 

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akskirmish;2073957; said:
True-
I tend to overlook that site with all the help we have here though....
Good lookin out man..



Like you ;)





P.S.
You use point and shoot?!?!?!?! Your pics are as good as Rally, and Mo....How the heck?
 

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Well said Spizz! For me, a camera is something I would like to purchase once and use for the rest of my life because they are so exspensive... The following is some info I dug up for you. I hope you find it helpful.


MEGAPIXEL

In digital imaging, a pixel (picture element[1]) is the smallest piece of information in an image. Pixels are normally arranged in a regular 2-dimensional grid, and are often represented using dots, squares, or rectangles. Each pixel is a sample of an original image, where more samples typically provide a more accurate representation of the original. The intensity of each pixel is variable; in color systems, each pixel has typically three or four components such as red, green, and blue, or cyan, magenta, yellow, and black.
The word pixel is based on a contraction of pix (for "pictures") and el (for "element"); similar formations with el for "element" include voxel[2], luxel,[citation needed] and texel[3].



Etymology

The word pixel was first published in 1965 by Frederic C. Billingsley of JPL, to describe the picture elements of video images from space probes to the moon and Mars; but he did not coin the term himself, and the person he got it from (Keith E. McFarland at the Link Division of General Precision in Palo Alto) does not know where he got it, but says it was "in use at the time" (circa 1963).
The word is a combination of picture and element, via pix. Pix was first coined in 1932 in a Variety magazine headline, as an abbreviation for the word pictures, in reference to movies; by 1938 pix was being used in reference to still pictures by photojournalists.
The concept of a picture element dates to the earliest days of television, for example as Bildpunkt (the German word for pixel, literally picture point) in the 1888 German patent of Paul Nipkow. According to various etymologies, the earliest publication of the term picture element itself was in Wireless World magazine in 1927,[4]though it had been used earlier in various U.S. patents filed as early as 1911.[1]
Some authors explain pixel as picture cell, as early as 1972.[5]
A detailed history of pixel and picture element, with references, is linked below.
In video processing, Pel is often used instead of pixel. For example, IBM used it in their Technical Reference for the original PC.[6]

Words with similar etymologies

Texel (texture element) and Luxel (Lux Element) are words used to describe a pixel when it is used in specific context (texturing and light mapping respectively)
A voxel is a volume element, the 3D analogue of a 2D Pixel.
Surfels (surface elements) have the same naming pattern as pixels, but share more similarities with shrunken triangles than expanded pixels.

Technical

A pixel does not need to be rendered as a small square. This image shows alternative ways of reconstructing an image from a set of pixel values, using dots, lines, or smooth filtering.


A pixel is generally thought of as the smallest single component of a digital image. The definition is highly context sensitive; for example, we can speak of printed pixels in a page, or pixels carried by electronic signals, or represented by digital values, or pixels on a display device, or pixels in a digital camera (photosensor elements). This list is not exhaustive, and depending on context there are several terms that are synonymous in particular contexts, e.g. pel, sample, byte, bit, dot, spot, etc. We can also speak of pixels in the abstract, or as a unit of measure, in particular when using pixels as a measure of resolution, e.g. 2400 pixels per inch, 640 pixels per line, or spaced 10 pixels apart.
The measures dots per inch (dpi) and pixels per inch (ppi) are sometimes used interchangeably, but have distinct meanings especially in the printer field, where dpi is a measure of the printer's density of dot (e.g. ink droplet) placement.[7] For example, a high-quality inkjet image may be printed with 300 ppi on a 1200 dpi printer.[8]
The more pixels used to represent an image, the closer the result can resemble the original. The number of pixels in an image is sometimes called the resolution, though resolution has a more specific definition. Pixel counts can be expressed as a single number, as in a "three-megapixel" digital camera, which has a nominal three million pixels, or as a pair of numbers, as in a "640 by 480 display", which has 640 pixels from side to side and 480 from top to bottom (as in a VGA display), and therefore has a total number of 640 × 480 = 307,200 pixels or 0.3 megapixels.
The pixels, or color samples, that form a digitized image (such as a JPEG file used on a web page) may or may not be in one-to-one correspondence with screen pixels, depending on how a computer displays an image.
In computing, an image composed of pixels is known as a bitmapped image or a raster image. The word raster originates from television scanning patterns, and has been widely used to describe similar halftone printing and storage techniques.

Sampling patterns

For convenience, pixels are normally arranged in a regular two dimensional grid. By using this arrangement, many common operations can be implemented by uniformly applying the same operation to each pixel independently.
Other arrangements of pixels are also possible, with some sampling patterns even changing the shape (or kernel) of each pixel across the image.
For this reason, care must be taken when acquiring an image on one device and displaying it on another, or when converting image data from one pixel format to another.



For example:

  • LCD screens typically use a staggered grid, where the red, green, and blue components are sampled at slightly different locations. Cleartype is a technology which takes advantage of these differences to improve the rendering of text on LCD screens.
  • Some digital cameras use a Bayer filter, resulting in a regular grid of pixels where the color of each pixel depends on its position on the grid.
  • A clipmap uses a hierarchical sampling pattern, where the size of the support of each pixel depends on its location within the hierarchy.
  • Warped grids are used when the underlying geometry is non-planar, such as images of the earth from space.[9]
  • The use of non-uniform grids is an active research area, attempting to bypass the traditional Nyquist limit.[10]
  • Pixels on computer monitors are normally "square" (this is, having equal horizontal and vertical sampling pitch); pixels in other systems are often "rectangular" (that is, having unequal horizontal and vertical sampling pitch), as are digital video formats with diverse aspect ratios, such as the anamorphic widescreen formats of the CCIR 601 digital video standard.
Display resolution vs. native resolution in computer monitors

Computers can use pixels to display an image, often an abstract image that represents a GUI. The resolution of this image is called the display resolution and is determined by the video card of the computer.
Modern computer monitors also use pixels to display an image, and have a native resolution. In the case of an LCD monitor, each pixel is made up of triads, with the number of these triads determining the native resolution. On some CRT monitors, the beam sweep rate may be fixed, resulting in a fixed native resolution.
To produce the sharpest images possible, the user must ensure the display resolution of the computer matches the native resolution of the monitor.
If these resolutions are different, the image may appear squashed or stretched, or the monitor may resample the image, resulting in a blurry or jagged appearance.

Bits per pixel

Main article: Color depth



The number of distinct colors that can be represented by a pixel depends on the number of bits per pixel (bpp). A 1 bpp image uses 1 bit for each pixel, so each pixel can be either on or off. Each additional bit doubles the number of colors available, so a 2 bpp image can have 4 colors, and a 3 bpp image can have 8 colors:
  • 1 bpp, 21 = 2 colors (monochrome)
  • 2 bpp, 22 = 4 colors
  • 3 bpp, 23 = 8 colors
...
  • 8 bpp, 28 = 256 colors
  • 16 bpp, 216 = 65,536 colors ("Highcolor" )
  • 24 bpp, 224 ≈ 16.7 million colors ("Truecolor")
For color depths of 15 or more bits per pixel, the depth is normally the sum of the bits allocated to each of the red, green, and blue components. Highcolor, usually meaning 16 bpp, normally has five bits for red and blue, and six bits for green, as the human eye is more sensitive to errors in green than in the other two primary colors. For applications involving transparency, the 16 bits may be divided into five bits each of red, green, and blue, with one bit left for transparency. A 24-bit depth allows 8 bits per component. On some systems, 32-bit depth is available: this means that each 24-bit pixel has an extra 8 bits to describe its opacity (for purposes of combining with another image).

Subpixels


Phosphor dots in a color CRT display bear no relation to pixels or subpixels



Pixel geometry of various CRT and LCD displays.


Many display and image-acquisition systems are, for various reasons, not capable of displaying or sensing the different color channels at the same site. Therefore, the pixel grid is divided into single-color regions that contribute to the displayed or sensed color when viewed at a distance.
In some displays, such as LCD, LED, and plasma displays, these single-color regions are separately addressable elements, which have come to be known as subpixels. For example, LCDs typically divide each pixel horizontally into three subpixels.
Most digital cameraimage sensors also use single-color sensor regions, for example using the Bayer filter pattern, but in the case of cameras these are known as pixels, not subpixels.



For systems with subpixels, two different approaches can be taken:
  • The subpixels can be ignored, with full-color pixels being treated as the smallest addressable imaging element; or
  • The subpixels can be included in rendering calculations, which requires more analysis and processing time, but can produce apparently superior images in some cases.
This latter approach, referred to as subpixel rendering, uses knowledge of pixel geometry to manipulate the three colored subpixels separately, producing a slight increase in the apparent resolution of color displays.
While CRT displays also use red-green-blue masked phosphor areas, dictated by a mesh grid called the shadow mask, it would require a difficult calibration step to be aligned with the displayed pixel raster, and so CRTs do not currently use subpixel rendering.

Megapixel

A megapixel is 1 million pixels, and is a term used not only for the number of pixels in an image, but also to express the number of image sensor elements of digital cameras or the number of display elements of digital displays. For example, a camera with an array of 2048×1536 sensor elements is commonly said to have "3.1 megapixels" (2048 × 1536 = 3,145,728). The neologism sensel is sometimes used to describe the elements of a digital camera's sensor, since these are picture-detecting rather than picture-producing elements.[11]
Digital cameras use photosensitive electronics, either charge-coupled device (CCD) or complementary metal–oxide–semiconductor (CMOS) image sensors, consisting of a large number of single sensor elements, each of which records a measured intensity level. In most digital cameras, the sensor array is covered with a patterned color filter mosaic having red, green, and blue regions in the Bayer filter arrangement, so that each sensor element can record the intensity of a single primary color of light. The camera interpolates the color information of neighboring sensor elements, through a process called demosaicing, to create the final image. These sensor elements are often called "pixels", even though they only record 1 channel (only red, or green, or blue) of the final color image. Thus, two of the three color channels for each sensor must be interpolated and a so-called N-megapixel camera that produces an N-megapixel image provides only one-third of the information that an image of the same size could get from a scanner. Thus, certain color contrasts may look fuzzier than others, depending on the allocation of the primary colors (green has twice as many elements as red or blue in the Bayer arrangement).
In contrast to conventional image sensors, the Foveon X3 sensor uses three layers of sensor elements, so that it detects red, green, and blue intensity at each array location. This structure eliminates the need for de-mosaicing and eliminates the associated image artifacts, such as color blurring around sharp edges. Citing the precedent established by mosaic sensors, Foveon counts each single-color sensor element as a pixel, even though the native output file size has only one pixel per three camera pixels.[2] With this method of counting, an N-megapixel Foveon X3 sensor therefore captures the same amount of information as an N-megapixel Bayer-mosaic sensor, though it packs the information into fewer image pixels, without any interpolation.

Standard display resolutions



Main article: display resolution
Display standards comparison


Selected standard display resolutions include:
NameResolution
(megapixels)Width x Height

CGA0.064320×200

EGA0.224640×350

VGA0.3640×480

SVGA0.5800×600

XGA0.81024×768

SXGA1.31280×1024

UXGA1.91600×1200

In short, the amount of megapixels your camera has will determine the size and clarity of the image you produce, as a whole. The more megapixels you have available to you allows you to be more flexible as a photographer, if this makes sense.

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bigspizz;2073973; said:
Like you ;)





P.S.
You use point and shoot?!?!?!?! Your pics are as good as Rally, and Mo....How the heck?
He he-Thanks...

Some of my shots do come from my point and shoot-
(like my place I like to relax thread) shot with a canon SD550 Powershot...
 
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