you just missed a group order thru cota...cichlid of the americas...thru the great lakes aquaria forum ...good to see you round again Dan right?,,,,might remeber me Dan as well aka Dovii dan pretty sure 5-6 years ago you bought at the time the last of my cichlids(black nasty) was moving onto rays at the time....but im back into cichlids to again....i know a guy with a pair he should have some fry soon....