Thanks! It's funny you say that, cause I think FishDog referred to the Castexi's called Otorongo's and other variants like it, "the Poor Mans P14". I like it, but the only problem, is that I want REAL P14's, not the imitations. Though I love this ray, you will never see a ray that eats and never stops swimming like this one, he is special.Awesome looking ray. Almost looks like a brown base P14. I dig it! GLWS