Got this ray for my son Christmas 2013, its been a good wet pet, hasn't grown much, pretty hardy. In a moment of rage I actually tried to kill it when it killed my goonch w/ a perfectly placed bite to one side of its gills, luckily the plastic grabber I tried stabbing through it snapped. Pic is from last year, its in a much larger tank now but to me it looks about the same size. I live in Texas so I won't say were I got it but it was from a well known vender as a WC motoro if i remember correctly. I'm obviously not a big ray guy but to me it looks as cool as any brown ray I've seen and for $100-200 I think got a fair deal, thx