Healthy bichir feeding habits

NowFuzzySays

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Ok we will look into that! We took out the rest of the lava rock last night and replaced it with Malaysian Driftwood from a different tank. It's just such a bummer that he's the one with the wound because he's growing so well and his colors are coming in so nicely. But he's still alive, he's had the wound for probably almost a week now.

My boyfriend talked to a fish specialist early this afternoon and the guy said it's likely he'll survive if the hole is in his intestinal tract and not his stomach. The fact that it kinda looks like poop is coming out may be a good thing because that means the hole happened in his intestinal tract. He also mentioned the fact that after almost a week he's still swimming is really good.

This week we're gonna hold off on pellets and stick to frozen blood worms, brine shrimp, etc, to try and minimize any pressure on the wound. I'll keep ya updated on his progress, and thanks for the input!
 

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Well, we initially were hoping that maybe the hole was through his intestinal tract. However, we've discovered that whatever he eats comes directly back out the hole - just fed him blood worms and the whole worms are hanging out from his wound. This means the rupture is in his stomach so he's not absorbing any nutrients, and we can tell he's very hungry because he keeps trying to eat things, and all of which eventually just fall back out.

It's looking pretty dreary for our little guy, and our new big endlicheri endlicheri follows him around and sniffs his wound. I have a feeling the del might become lunch in the next couple days. Damn shame...
 

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I would find a separate tank and out him in there for right now. In addition to melafix I would use pimafix (not sure if it'll work together I've heard mixed opinions). Pimafix will prevent the wound from developing any fungus. I would also try and feed something larger than bloodworms maybe not a pellet (unless small and rounded sides) ,but maybe something like small pieces of tilapia. Hopefully you can find something that is big enough that it won't be able to go through the whole and will pass like normal. However that could also cause intestinal blockage which is a bad thing and would be even worse for an injured juvenile that is weak. How long since he's eaten and been able to digest his meal? Depending on how long I would separate him from the tank and put him in another tank with some salt and boosted temp. I would wait to feed him anything else so the wound can try and heal and become stronger. If you feed to early and irritate or reopen the wound it could spell major problems. I think of it as try and go as long as you can without feeding him to let the wound heal, because once the wound is healed or at least strong enough to prevent any good from escaping he will be able to eat and gain nutrients. If you go too long he can starve. If you don't go long enough the would could reopen and you would have to go even longer without feeding him. Something else I would caution is make sure he's not swimming around and just making it worse. If he's doing that then he's only causing more pain to himself. I would also watch and make sure that no air starts to get stuck in there. Keep us posted about the status of your littleguy hopefully he pulls through this.
 

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You mean separate the big endli? That's what I'd go for, netting a fish with a wound like that seems like the risk of causing further damage to the wound is quite high. Pimafox works fine with mela IME its just mainly meant for fungal infections which I've never seen in a poly, have you Dr.?

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We haven't seen him try to eat anything for 3 days now, but we actually haven't feed the whole tank for 3-4 days in attempts to keep the wound from reopening. He's had his wound probably about 1.5 weeks now.

Two days ago we went and got a 10 gallon tank, filled it with water from the 120g and put 1.5 teaspoons epsom salt and let the tank sit over night. Checked it yesterday morning and all the specs were good and temp was 84, so we netted and transferred the del today. In the last day or two I've noticed considerable improvement in his condition; his breathing is much more steady. He's not swimming around like crazy, and is acting very calm in the hospital tank. Instead of the skin hanging open with a clear view of everything inside, there's no skin hanging off. It appears that the skin that was hanging is starting to come back together over the wound, so not feeding has really been a big help. It looks like a small amount of skin is trying/starting to form over the wound but haven't got the best view of it lately because he's spent much time at the bottom of the tank.

Couple questions - how long should we wait to feed him, and how long can the average del go without food and still be ok? We've noticed he has gotten a little slimmer, but this seems normal as he usually loves to eat a LOT. Did we put enough epsom salt in, or should we add more? He's about 6.5 inches long.

He's always been a really beautiful & healthy fish, and the fact that he's still alive now makes me kinda get my hopes up. He seems to be responding to the salt hospital tank just fine. :)
 

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Another question - is it a logical explanation to assume that this was the result of him eating a clown loach? I've heard they have a spine that's hard to digest, and believe this could've been what tore him open in the first place. There's a picture of him really full at the very beginning of this post when we first noticed a small loach had gone missing. We have two other small clown loaches in the tank, and some new endlicheri endlicheris that are like 7-8" long, but I don't want them to go through the same thing! I'm wondering if it's ok to leave the clown loaches with the polies, or if we should separate them until they're a bit bigger?
 

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Epsom salt may help but its not what you need here, its mainly used to flush the stomach and intestines to clear parasite. I use kosher non iodized salt or the api aquarium salt for freshwater, they usually have that at any bog box store

bichirs are tough creatures, him being still alive is great obviously but the epsom salt may be affecting his stomach making it less desirable to eat. My bichirs have never turned down live blackworms, or any live worm for that matter if you'd like to just get something in his stomach. They can survive a long while without eating so 3 days isn't much don't be too worried.

About the loaches I wouldn't be surprised of that was the culprit, or if the combo of that and hitting the lava rock did it. How big are the loaches? If they aren't at least 5 inch I would put up a divider

If you use the API go by the instructions on the box, male sure if you use the kosher non iodized salt go with a tbsp per 10 gallons, mix it in with a water change and replace the same amount in ratio with the amount of water removed
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He's definitely hungry. Couple days ago my bf soaked a small pellet for about an hour and then gave it to the del. He gobbled it right up but it still came out of him again. We just now tried putting some flakes in the tank to see if he could handle those. Haven't seen him eat them but he's definitely gotta be hungry cause he's usually quite the pig so hopefully he can get those down ok.

The loach he ate was only about 1.5 inches so it would make sense. We just started keeping goldfish feeders (1-2") in the tank at all times too so that the bichirs are more likely to go afterthem than anything else in the tank. We've been buying them a dozen at a time, and they last about 4-5 days before they're all eaten and we have to restock, so they seem to like them!

Thanks for the info on the salt, too. We just did a 50% wc for the del and he seemed happy. We will do another water change soon and then get some api or kosher non iodized. His wound still looks to be getting smaller, and he still swims around and hangs out at the bottom of the tank like normal, so he's still kickin!
 

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He's definitely hungry. Couple days ago my bf soaked a small pellet for about an hour and then gave it to the del. He gobbled it right up but it still came out of him again. We just now tried putting some flakes in the tank to see if he could handle those. Haven't seen him eat them but he's definitely gotta be hungry cause he's usually quite the pig so hopefully he can get those down ok.

The loach he ate was only about 1.5 inches so it would make sense. We just started keeping goldfish feeders (1-2") in the tank at all times too so that the bichirs are more likely to go afterthem than anything else in the tank. We've been buying them a dozen at a time, and they last about 4-5 days before they're all eaten and we have to restock, so they seem to like them!

Thanks for the info on the salt, too. We just did a 50% wc for the del and he seemed happy. We will do another water change soon and then get some api or kosher non iodized. His wound still looks to be getting smaller, and he still swims around and hangs out at the bottom of the tank like normal, so he's still kickin!
I would advise don't feed anything hard like pellets in fear of re-opening the wound. I would feed bloodworms as they aren't hard like pellets and will be very flexible and not hard to swallow. Depending on the way he ate it the spines could possibly be the cause. I would just do normal doses of salt or whatever you've been doing so far. I would also put stress-coat in there. Stress-coat has some aloe vera and will help him get his slime-coat back. I use it with all my water changes along with my water conditioner and I have only had a couple fish sick over about 4-5 years. I would only feed him small flexible things such as brineshrimp, bloodworms, blackworms etc.., Just try and stay away from the feeders and pellets for right now so that the wound isn't more stressed. Good thing he is still alive that shows that he's a fighter and should pull through if the right precautionary steps are taken.
 

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You mean separate the big endli? That's what I'd go for, netting a fish with a wound like that seems like the risk of causing further damage to the wound is quite high. Pimafox works fine with mela IME its just mainly meant for fungal infections which I've never seen in a poly, have you Dr.?

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Yes I have had one with a fungal infection and it was cleared pretty fast with pima fix. I was saying use it though so that nothing grows onto the would and causes more stress and internal infection which will be a way more stressful and hard to treat situation. And I was talking about the del being separated because of the potential risk you run with having the del in with the other on substrate. You also run the risk of it eating what the other polys are eating. You will have to feed the others at some point and larger endli (as you probably know lol) will not be full with bloodworms and will need more of a pellet or larger food like silversides, krill etc.., I wouldn't even risk the del eating that because of re-opening the wound.
 
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