180 Gal Costa Rican Biotope: Stocking Questions

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Hey everyone, I am currently in the planning stage of putting together a 180 gallon setup. I want the tank to be as natural looking, and contain contain fish native to a specific region.

I want it to have sand mixed with gravel, large round river rock, and lots of drift wood, and subdued lighting. I want to purchase a Aqua-Terra 3D background because they look awesome and I can hide Intakes, overflows, etc behind it. If you need an visual of what I am describing see Nutty's 300 Gallon: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143326. In my opinion it is the best looking natural tank there is. I will be using the Rainforest background (see attached).

I need your guys and gals help to figure out my stock list. The only fish I am sure I want is a Jaguar. The rest is up in the air. I have read many articles and profiles on Jags and it seems their level of aggression varies greatly from fish to fish, and if they are breeding or not. I have never owned a Jag so I need you guys experiences to mold my stock list. Here is how I would like it to be at this point:

Costa Rica:

1 Jaguar, Pref. a male
1 Black Belt, Vieja maculicauda
1 or 2 Convicts, Both Males
1 Flier Cichlid, Archocentrus centrarchus, male
1 or 2 T-Bar Cichlid*, Archocentrus sajica
1 or 2 Rainbow Cichlid*, Herotilapia multispinosa

I recently opened a thread about Sajicas, and threw this idea out there and two reputable sources said Sajicas were a bad idea to keep with Managuense (likely to become Jag chow). But I was just throwing them in there to get some more opinions, I am guessing the same is true/ more true regarding the Rainbows.

I just want to thank everyone in advance, this type of aquarium has been somewhat of a dream of mine for some time now.

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To make your chances better on keeping sajicas with a jag, is that you could go for a female......smaller fish and less aggressive.

Theres plenty of other cichlids native to costa rica, but i agree there needs to be a big show fish which stands out from the others.

Heres what else you could keep:
Aequidens coeruleopunctatus (Kner & Steindachner, 1863), native
Amatitlania nigrofasciatus (Günther, 1867), native
Amphilophus alfari (Meek, 1907), native
Amphilophus altifrons (Kner & Steindachner, 1863), native
Amphilophus bussingi (Loiselle, 1997), native
Amphilophus citrinellus (Günther, 1864), native
Amphilophus diquis (Bussing, 1974), endemic
Amphilophus longimanus (Günther, 1867), native
Amphilophus lyonsi (Gosse, 1966), native
Amphilophus rhytisma (López, 1983), native
Amphilophus rostratus (Gill & Bransford, 1877), native
Archocentrus centrarchus (Gill & Bransford, 1877), native
Cryptoheros myrnae (Loiselle, 1997), native
Cryptoheros sajica (Bussing, 1974), endemic
Cryptoheros septemfasciatus (Regan, 1908), native
Herotilapia multispinosa (Günther, 1866), native
Hypsophrys nicaraguensis (Günter, 1864), native
Neetroplus nematopus Günther, 1867, native
Parachromis dovii (Günther, 1864), native
Parachromis loisellei Bussing, 1989, native
Parachromis managuensis (Günther, 1866), native
Tomocichla sieboldii Kner, 1863, native
Tomocichla tuba (Meek, 1912), native
Vieja maculicauda (Regan, 1905), native

(Taken from www.cichlidae.com)

Personally i'd go for:
Nicaraguensis-show fish, look great at 10"- good community fish
Mematopus-nice small fish which is super aggressive to make up for its size.
Sajica- really good fish to keep in a community and the males look brutes when big and mature.
Convicts, multispinosa and septemfasciatus to fill space:naughty:
Also some Rhytisma, rare cichlid.

Need loads of pics when finished:)
 
davidefc;1995276; said:
Personally i'd go for:
Nicaraguensis-show fish, look great at 10"- good community fish
Mematopus-nice small fish which is super aggressive to make up for its size.
Sajica- really good fish to keep in a community and the males look brutes when big and mature.
Convicts, multispinosa and septemfasciatus to fill space:naughty:
Also some Rhytisma, rare cichlid.

Need loads of pics when finished:)

I have to agree with most of this. A 180G with a shoal of 5-7 Nicaraguensis, handful of Sajica, Multispinosa and Septemfasciatus and perhaps a single Blackbelt as the centerpiece would be wonderful, but you would want to keep an eye on it.

Nicaraguensis are a very much underrated fish.
 
davidefc;1995276; said:
Personally i'd go for:
Nicaraguensis-show fish, look great at 10"- good community fish
Mematopus-nice small fish which is super aggressive to make up for its size.
Sajica- really good fish to keep in a community and the males look brutes when big and mature.
Convicts, multispinosa and septemfasciatus to fill space:naughty:
Also some Rhytisma, rare cichlid.

Need loads of pics when finished:)

Thanks for the info, thats stock-list sounds pretty amazing! :drool: It gives me a lot to think about, I really want a Jag though, I have for as long as I can remember.

And thanks for posting all those links:popcorn:
 
japes;1995321; said:
I have to agree with most of this. A 180G with a shoal of 5-7 Nicaraguensis, handful of Sajica, Multispinosa and Septemfasciatus and perhaps a single Blackbelt as the centerpiece would be wonderful, but you would want to keep an eye on it.

Nicaraguensis are a very much underrated fish.


Thanks Japes, your input is always appreciated. Throw a stocking at me with a Jag centerpiece,

Jag
Blackbelt
3x Nicaragua
2x Male Convicts

Maybe?

Do Nics need to be kept in groups of 3 plus, are they "salty" enough to hold off the other fish?
 
Nics will be fine in groups or singles etc.

If you really want a jag, isnt there any space under the tank? thats where i put my growout/fry tanks, you should be able to get a good sized tank in there if you stand is a good height.

If not have you ever thought of a pair of jaguars?
 
davidefc;1995410; said:
Nics will be fine in groups or singles etc.

If you really want a jag, isnt there any space under the tank? thats where i put my growout/fry tanks, you should be able to get a good sized tank in there if you stand is a good height.

If not have you ever thought of a pair of jaguars?

Yeah, a pair of Jags has crossed my mine, but I would rather have some diversity in the tank, and breeding jags aren't hospitible to company from what I have read.

And yeah there will be a 55 gal sump in the stand, and even if I had a large enough refugium under the show tank to keep a Jag, no one would be able to see it :D
 
elting44;1995390; said:
Thanks Japes, your input is always appreciated. Throw a stocking at me with a Jag centerpiece,

Jag
Blackbelt
3x Nicaragua
2x Male Convicts

Maybe?

Do Nics need to be kept in groups of 3 plus, are they "salty" enough to hold off the other fish?
Hmm, I would scratch the Blackbelt and replace it with an argentae.

Scratch the cons and replace with some geos.

Some jags will be rather docile and readily kept in a community setting with other peaceful and large cichlids. The bigger the tank the better your chances. I would grow them out together if I were you.
 
Fish on Fire;1995602; said:
Hmm, I would scratch the Blackbelt and replace it with an argentae.

Scratch the cons and replace with some geos.

Some jags will be rather docile and readily kept in a community setting with other peaceful and large cichlids. The bigger the tank the better your chances. I would grow them out together if I were you.

Read the thread! He's after a Costa Rican Biotope.

The problem with Jaguars is that most of the commonly available (at least for you Americans..) fish from Costa Rica are smallish. Other than all aforementioned Amphilophus sp. and the V. maculicauda and other Parachromis, a full sized P. managuensis is a much bigger and much more aggressive fish. Really this is just telling you what you already know.

If you want a Jaguar centerpiece, which I completely understand, you're going to have to put a lot of thought into the design of the tanks aquascaping. I presume a 180G is a 6x2x2', which gives you plenty of space to work out cover like fake roots and driftwood entanglements for protecting the smaller cichlids. If you do choose the Jaguar route, be prepared to aim for a female, and buy multiple fish (if aggression is a problem). If you're lucky you'll get a quite placid one. I would also suggest steering clear buying even same sexed convicts for the tank as there is a good chance they'll bully your smaller fish and maybe even stand up to the big guy, resulting in them copping a thrashing. There is no doubt that the Jaguar will run the tank, but hopefully peacefully using it's body size as a deterrent rather than physical harm.

I've seen some great tanks with Gold Saums (Ok, so they're quite peaceful.. but still) with completely placid species like Eartheaters and Dwarves, a combination you usually wouldn't go for, and it was stunning. Big brutes cruising through a hive of activity caused by active shoaling fish is visually brilliant and entertaining. I'm sure it can work out for you, but I'd keep a close eye on it. The reason I originally suggested the Blackbelt is because their mouth is smaller, too.
 
Fish on Fire;1995602; said:
Hmm, I would scratch the Blackbelt and replace it with an argentae.

Scratch the cons and replace with some geos.

Some jags will be rather docile and readily kept in a community setting with other peaceful and large cichlids. The bigger the tank the better your chances. I would grow them out together if I were you.

I plan on getting them all at the same time as juveniles, and they will be put in the 180 at that time.

Keep in mind I would like a biotope. Geos are SA, and Argentea are endemic to Mexico. But with that aside, those would work great probably, and are great looking but not what I am looking for, Thanks
 
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