"Essay" on Drop Eye (from a physician/biologist)

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Scylla

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I have been reading the many theories regarding drop eye and thought I'd put my two cents in.

My background (not that it REALLY matters, but just so you get where I'm coming from):
- aquarist since age 10 (arowanas too, but only silvers)
- Majored in Biology
- A practicing physician (the human kind, but I still know quite a bit about physiology and disease in general)

For years, I have been reading the multiple ideas people have come up with to explain the unfortunate phenomenon afflicting our beloved arowanas. The most common ideas that I'd like to discuss seem to be:

1. Fat build up. "Fat builds up behind the eyes from a diet too rich in fats."
Not likely. This theory initially sounds possible because it is loosely based in science ("if we eat too much, we get fat"). The truth is that animals store fat in different ways and in different locations. It is VERY unlikely for a "cold-blooded" animal to consume enough calories to cause it to store enough fat that would cause deformity in only one area of its body. When you combine the fact that many arowana keepers describe their fish with drop eye only on one side, this essentially (to quote Mythbusters) "Busts" this theory. Why would an animal not store fat evenly between both eyes? It goes against logic.

Another reason I tend to not give much weight to this theory is based on basic physiology. We are discussing a fish, a poikilothermic ("cold-blooded") animal. When compared with "warm-blodded " animals, fish have a much lower food and energy requirement. This is why you can feed a snake only once or twice a month. Not because snakes and fish store energy as fat for later use (this is what bears and seals and warm-blooded animals do), but because their bodies simply don't need to consume as much energy on a daily basis. The chemical process of creating large layers of fat and then breaking it down later for use is too costly and quite unnecessary for most cold-blooded animals. I just don't buy "fat" as being a cause of drop eye.

2. Genetics. "Too much inbreeding has caused a genetic trait that causes drop eye." A solid theory in my opinion, but one that should be easily disproven (by those that breed them!). Also, while silver arowana breeding is indeed beginning to increase, in no way has it caught up to the demand seen here in the United States. Most silver arowanas sold in the US are wild caught. Wild caught means genetic causes for drop eye are very unlikely.

3. Trauma. "Drop eye occurs from the fish striking the canopy/glass top/light fixtures when it jumps." Maybe. Now this is a new theory to me. I'm an Emergency Physician, so I'm VERY familiar with trauma and its effects, so this theory made me think for a while on its possibility. I will be the first to admit that while the arowana is most certainly designed to jump out of the water with great skill, it is not designed to continuously impact a glass roof every time it does so. Obviously, this can cause damage to the fish. So what could cause a fishes' eyes to protrude down after dorsal head trauma? The most likely possibility I could think of at first is that the trauma causes a small bruise/hematoma behind the eye. But bruises naturally heal and are absorbed, so the drop eye should also go away with time. Maybe the bruise causes a buildup of scar tissue to accumulate behind the eye, pushing it out over time? Maybe the trauma causes one of the muscles that controls eye movements to tear and when it heals, the eye is now permanently fixed looking down. While all of these ideas are medically possible I suppose, the odds of having them occur in so many fish approaches impossible. After much internal debate, I'm not entirely convinced that trauma is the cause of our drop eye epidemic.

So what is it then? Here's my theory:
4. Environment. "They simply look where the action's at."
I think we as aquarium keepers have overlooked one of the huge differences between our tanks and the arowana's natural environment: its literal environment.

For those that don't know, the silver arowana comes from the murky floodlands of the Amazon. This is an area where rotting wood and fallen leaves have turned the water into a dark tea color (hence the name "blackwater"). This fish cruises at the top of the water column all day long, looking for whatever it can eat either just above the water (bugs, birds), or just below its surface (more bugs, smaller fish that feed here). It rarely, if ever looks down. Pull up a picture of the blackwater amazon. The water is DARK. If you were to put your arm in up to your elbow, you would lose sight of your hand. Again, the arowana rarely looks down. There's not much to see there; it's too dark.

Compare this with the vast majority of our home aquariums: a glass aquarium (with invisible walls to bump into), filled with pristine, clear water so that we may better view our prized fish. (I realize some add blackwater extract to better simulate the water color but you and I know this is nowhere near as dark as the Amazon's waters.) Our aquariums are covered (hopefully) with a closed lid where NOTHING happens overhead other than a lightbulb turning on and off every day. No trees move overhead, no birds fly by, no clouds, no movement at all. It has no reason to ever look UP. OK floating pellets once or twice a day for 5 minutes, but most of its day is spent looking DOWN and out at its moving environment. People walk by the tank, CLEARLY VISIBLE tankmates swim below the arowana. For 99% of its life, only two thoughts ever enter an arowana's mind: "is it a threat?" or "is it food?". The arowana is clearly a predator but is far from the top of the Amazonian food chain (this is painfully obvious to all of us that know how easily spooked our fish are).

Now add to this the level of your aquarium on its stand. Probably waist/stomach level when you stand next to it? So think about how you observe your fish on a daily basis. Do you watch it from the top? Of course not, its covered (or had better be!) and arowanas swim too close to the top of the water column anyways! So you squat down or sit in a chair and view him from BELOW. What does the fish do? Makes eye contact with you (so cool!). He looks down...again.

Remember all the stories about the scarcity of drop eye among wild or pond kept arowanas? This would further support my theory. In a pond and in most of the wild, there's nowhere to look but up!
= no drop eye

Again, this is just my theory. Tell me what you think. I'm up for a good debate. A good start would be "then why doesn't drop eye occur in asian arowanas too?" A good reply: "because they're not originally from the Amazon blackwater."

Who really knows? Let's all talk about it and input our experiences.
This forum is absolutely one of THE BEST places to put an end to the drop eye mystery.
 
Unfortunatly I have little time right now but a couple things. Not sure your desription of amazon blackwater is exactly correct. Check out youtube for many videos of fish in this region. Asian aros are not from balckwater, yes, but they do get DE. Black arowana are from blackwater and only a couple of case of DE with them have been reported.

I'll be back in about 12 hours:D
 
Props my good man. I can honestly say that your "looking up" theory makes more scientific sense than anything I have read about drop eye in arowanas.

I just got home from a blackwater canoe trip this weekend and was thinking the whole time about my new arowana and how my tank differs so incredibly much from his true environment. I believe you are probrably on the money with your hypothysis...at least in the sense that an arowana in an aquarium has almost no reason to look up...except for when we decide to feed them...while a wild aro is looking up most of it's life.

I am studying to become an Aquatic Biologist and I am going to ask my Major Professor (also an Aquatic Biologist) what his thoughts on the issue are.
 
i have a buddy who has kept arowanas for along time, and i only remember one with eye drop. he always kept brightly painted styrofoam balls suspended from inside his canopies with thread. which were always bulit by him, tall 12". his water level was almost always 6-8" from the normal fill line if he didnt have a taller canopy. and he lined the inside of his canopies with that soft foam mattress topper. the lighting always came from behind or the side. he always told me it keeps them looking up. plus he always had a little fan to exhaust the moisture and keep the odjects moving to keep the attention of the fish. he has since moved back east, so i cant get pics. but ill try and contact him to see if he can send me some. its exactly what you were saying Scylla. He always kept very dark substrate too. he always told me that after awhile they stop hitting the top!!!! gotta love it. he got me into fish keeping. try some of the ideas to see if it helps anyone. but you have to have weight holding your canopies if you have larger fish.
 
if the theory about looking down were true, why is it that some aros only get in one eye, and some in both? do they only use one to see?

my silver aro developed severe DE in one eye. it was so bad that a bubble of fat was starting to come out above its eye. i finally got to the point where i had enough and sedated the fish and cut out the "bubble". as soon as i pierced it, a yellowish liquid oozed out. i believe it was fat. i cut out the excess skin and the wound has healed over fine. he still has DE, but not that extra fat bubble that was popping out.

so, what could have caused all that buildup behind ONE eye only? and why so much that it caused a bubble to pop out of the eye socket?
 
Bderick67;3608616; said:
Unfortunatly I have little time right now but a couple things. Not sure your desription of amazon blackwater is exactly correct. Check out youtube for many videos of fish in this region. Asian aros are not from balckwater, yes, but they do get DE. Black arowana are from blackwater and only a couple of case of DE with them have been reported.

I'll be back in about 12 hours:D
Agree with bderick on this. also, why would looking down cause it to be fixed in that position? Im still more supportive of the trauma theory. Ill try digging up a thread from a while ago. After a jump, both eyes popped out, but one nearly ripped out.

edit: found it
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216747&highlight=eye+ripped
 
Gshock;3608690;3608690 said:
Agree with bderick on this. also, why would looking down cause it to be fixed in that position? Im still more supportive of the trauma theory. Ill try digging up a thread from a while ago. After a jump, both eyes popped out, but one nearly ripped out.

edit: found it
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216747&highlight=eye+ripped
yeah i agree as well. if they were always looking up, why wouldnt the eyes be pointing "up"? in an aro w/o DE, the eyes are aligned perfectly level, not pointed up. i think its either trauma or genetics.

another thing, i think it may have to do with the clear walls of an aquarium, not necessarily looking down. because i have heard that aros kept in ponds do not usually have DE
 
If you look through the indodragon arowana book series, you'll see plenty of asian aros in breeding ponds with DE. They may have been raised in tanks and then released into ponds to breed.

My RTG does not have DE. He's over 3 years old. Spent his entire life in a tank. He eats from the surface and he eats from the bottom of the tank as well. He's bashed his head a few times and currently has a nice gash in his head from recently disagreeing with a lid. No DE.

I am curious as to what causes it, but I am not going to venture a guess. I can't help but think it's environmental and genetics. We can't compare fish in aquaria to fish in the wild. We simply cannot replicate the wild.
 
Koji have captive breed silver aro and he's keeping them in a tank and they don't have DE. I've also kept silver aros in an outdoor pond but they also have DE. I have also seen jars, asian and black with DE but the there are more cases in silver and 95% of them in aquaraia gets DE, second would be the Asian and it's rare to see jars especially the black aro with DE. As for the trauma theory, I keep disagreeing to this as I've have seen black aros that continue bash itself to tank wall and they still don't have DE. Also if they keep bashing themselves to tank wall, why I don't see any bumps or PLJ on my silver aros with DE. When most aros that keep bashing themselves to tank walls have bumps or damage tissue on the head especially the mouth area where the barbels are. Looking up or down is also out of the questions as my jars, black and asian aros feed from to and bottom of the tank and they don't have DE.

For the "backwater" theory, I don't think this is also the cause as if you see some Video of silver aro that have been taken in the wild. The water is crystal clear and they don't have DE. You'll see a lot of those documentary in YouTube.

It's mostly I lean more on genetic that causes it.
 
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