Ok I've narrowed down my suggestions. I think I'm gonna get a 180gal with a pair of Midas/Red Devils (I think they're all crosses over here in Australia, no pure strains of either species) and maybe some Festae or a jag with 2-3 bn s or any other good cleaner plecos. I really like the barred Midas or the different colours that they can get and was wondering if it wasn't too hard to selectively breed the common reds oranges and whites to get some black and blue into them? If this is possible please let me know. While writing this I was starting think because it's quite hard to get pure Midas or devils, wouldn't there be lots of Festae x Mayans? Cheers Tom