Yeah I just spotted their ad on Kingsnake... although I'm rethinking the idea of getting one. Thanks for letting me know though, they seem to have some nice Matas!I see them for sale pretty often on FB..the page is turtle and tortoise classifieds.. actually I just looked on there and outbackreptiles.com has some 4" ones for $275 + shipping..I've never dealt with them but thought I'd let you know..