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    I made a really nice chart in Excel but it turns into a mess when copying it here, so here are smaller charts and their explanations:

    Cross Sectional Area (in square inches) - Pipe sizes vs. their cross sectional area. Useful for dividing flow between pipes.
    size __area
    1/2 = .1963
    3/4 = .4418
    1.0 = .7854
    1.25= 1.227
    1.5 = 1.767
    2.0 = 3.142

    Maximum Gravitational Vertical Flow - This is what we look for when sizing drains or DIY overflows. The flow under the power of gravity reaches a maximum in the same way an object reaches Terminal Velocity as it falls through the air. The gravitational force is countered by the waters viscosity (resistance to flow) and the frictional resistance of the pipe. The viscosity creates a minimum vertical length to acheive the maximum flow. If the vertical pipe length is less than the minimum, the flow rate will be somewhat less than the pipes maximum potential.
    size _GPM __GPH
    1/2 = 2.50 = 150
    3/4 = 5.63 = 337.5
    1.0 = 10.0 = 600
    1.25=15.6 = 937.5
    1.5 = 22.5 = 1350
    2.0 = 40.0 = 2400

    Min. Vertical Length
    1/2 = 2"
    3/4 = 5"
    1.0 = 9"
    1.25= 14"
    1.5 = 20"
    2.0 = 36"

    Frictional Head Loss per 90 (measured in Feet of Head)
    size_ head loss
    1/2 = .00970
    3/4 = .00220
    1.0 = .00386
    1.25= .00602
    1.5 = .00878
    2.0 = .00156

    Anyway... Each measurement is at the pipes maximum flow rate in the Vertical Flow Rate chart. When calculating the loss for the pump side, these values are slightly more.

    There is a very conservative rule when estimating head loss. It is one foot of head per fitting. This rule does not take into account flow rates, pressure, actual frictional losses, etc. It does not have to because it is too conservative. If you multiply any of the above head losses by one thousand fittings, you will be very surprised at the actual head loss. (hint: just move the decimal to the right three places.)



    Gravitational Horizontal Flow This is for horizontal applications that do not rely on a pump, or the force of a vertical pipe. These flow rates are considerably less than the vertical rates because gravity does not offer a significant horizontal force. It is a balance of gravity and the viscosity vs. the cross sectional area of the pipe.
    size_ GPM
    1/2 = 1.563
    3/4 = 3.517
    1.0 = 6.253
    1.25= 9.769
    1.5 = 14.07
    2.0 = 25.0

    In this application, you would use the chart for Vertical Flow.

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    In this application, you would use the chart for Horizontal Flow.

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    now sticky...........thanks great job
     
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    Nice. It has come up a lot lately, I know I had to search for it myself!

    Maybe you can take a screen shot (PrtScr button) of your Excel graph.

    For more plumbing info I found the linked guide really helpful. Its geared towards ponds and is lengthy, but has extensive flow charts and explanations.

    http://www.koiphen.com/members/harveythekoi/plumbing-2-1.pdf
     
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    I'm still editting, but the timer hit zero :(

    Anyway... Each measurement is at the pipes maximum flow rate in the Vertical Flow Rate chart. When calculating the loss for the pump side, these values are slightly more.

    There is a very conservative rule when estimating head loss. It is one foot of head per fitting. This rule does not take into account flow rates, pressure, actual frictional losses, etc. It does not have to because it is too conservative. If you multiply any of the above head losses by one thousand fittings, you will be very surprised at the actual head loss. (hint: just move the decimal to the right three places.)
     
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    So, vertical flow through a 3" would be around 5400 GPH, correct? I'm thinking about using dual 3 inchers in my 700. I'm aiming around 3000 - 4000 GPH, so a little over capacity on overflows is good, IMO

    (yes, i know tank is a long way off, gotta build house first. lol, more like tank and house being built at once, I like to be well-planned.)
     
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    Is there a difference in head lose when water is flowing with gravity @ 600 GPH compared to being pumped @ 600 GPH? Because those numbers are very low compared to everything I have seen.
     
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    That is a very good question. Yes there is a difference at different flow rates. The friction is variable and nonlinear for different flow rates and pipe sizes. When I had been looking around, I found that there was a huge discrepency from table to table. None explained the math and it was always "one size fits all" information (no flow rates). That is why there was so much discrepency with the tables. I found a calculator that had the friction coefficient chart as one of the input variables. This is where I got my data. The other important variable was the flow rate. I used the "max gravitational flow rate" for each pipe size in the calculator because that is what most applies to us. The result at this flow rate was always zero (the calculator only returned whole numbers). I had to enter one thousand fittings to get a non-zero result. Since it was a calculator, I could not verify the math but the input data was the most comprehensive that I had found.

    As for the part of your question about 600 and 600:
    There will be no difference. If the flow rate is the same, the pipe fitting won't know if it is gravity fed or pump fed. If the end were restricted for the pump's plumbing and the flow rate were the same the internal pressure won't really play a part because water is noncompressible (relatively speaking).

    The closest table that I found (pumped velocities) were approximately at a ten fold difference. In other words, you would need on the magnitude of 100 fittings rather than 1000 to start to worry about head loss. Even still, we don't use anywere near that many fittings on our tanks.
     
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    i believe there are two different regions in flow.

    the first is referred to as laminar flow where the water pokes along and tracking any water molecule its path will be parallel to the pipe up to 10fps max

    pump input pipes try for 5 fps
    pump output ok to 10 fps


    above this flow region the flow becomes turbulent and the water molecules no longer flow parallel to the ripe walls........ eg they might swirl around a discontinuity caused by a fitting......in this region frictional forces may be dramatic
     
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    Yes, I have seen that. In extreme cases, there is around a 30% usable size reduction from the eddies and pipe erossion frequently can occur.
     
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