BD was defined along time ago. This thread is NOT about what defines a BD, it's about everyone using that term for any black rays. It's a fact. People are stupid enough to believe that people breeding rays aren't keeping tabs on what breeds with what..... It's total BS.
IF you're holding an apple and are stupid enough to believe it's an orange then you are part of the problem.
To me - IF it's black and white it's a mutt, it's your job as the breeder/seller to PROVE otherwise.
I for one DO believe that mixing Hen genes into the equasion raises chances for big dots, so I do believe a lot of these high dollar BDs are mutts...... Why? Cause nobody is proving otherwise. Try asking for parent pics - G13 classified. Why? Cause you're probably hiding the truth.
You should try not to contradict yourself in the same post. Along your lines of thinking, each and every one of your wolf pack is a mutt. Don't try to prove otherwise because it's the sellers job to prove it not yours. Or wait, its your job to try to prove contrary to what the seller is selling. So are you the problem or solution? I'm confused now. Once again you say BD was clearly defined but you fail to mention the definition. (As a side question, maybe you would like to share with us your opinion whether or not a definition can change over time, as I am unaware of Black Diamond being a latin name to describe a sub species).
Let's make this simpler. BD and Leopoldi = P13. Italians and Saudi = Homosapien. Are you going to go as far as to say the product of an Italian and a Saudi person would be a mutt? I'd like to hear it.
Just for the sake of argument, because I am getting you fall on the side of those that feel BD only come from Sao Felix since you haven't explicitly stated, I can play the other side of this too. Take 2 homosapiens from Brazil. One has blonde hair and blue eyes, one has brown hair and brown eyes. Would the product be a mutt to you?
One thing I absolutely agree with you is the BDxHen thing. This is a hybrid. Like homosapien and homohabilis would have been or whatever, that's as far as my knowledge allows me to take the analogy. LeoxHen should never be sold as p13, regardless if you want to call it a Black Diamond or leopoldi.
Could someone please post a picture of a ray caught in Sao Felix without 3 rows of spotting, belly spotting, etc. and I would really like to see how many people call that a black diamond over a regular leopoldi.
I'm not being facetious, I am simply stating that in my humble opinion, there can't be one true answer to what a Black Diamond is as it is not, to my knowledge, a scientifically described term, merely an attachment to (and here is where the opinions, which can't be right or wrong by definition, differ) either a geographical local or the visual patterns on an individual created by hobbyists. If we wanted to start calling the nicest of the Hen's out there brown diamonds, or something else implying value, I would see no problem with this. Or if you fall on the side of the coin that says its geography, then you can call rays from the nicest producing locale whatever, though I disagree I still think that's fine. Just don't call it a p13.
I send pictures of the parents of my pups regardless if the purchases asks for them or not. I have been transparent in saying the mother is a regular p13 and the father is a p13 black diamond. 3/4 of the people that buy from me call their pups BD's, 1/4 call them black rays. I don't care to correct them.
