Rose Queens????

[BTK]

I bought these fish at the LFS they told me they were red devil x synspilum hybrids. A friend of mine tells me they are also known as Rose Queen Flowerhorns. Is this true because i looked them up online and they look nothing like these fish. Although i did see a few pictures of so called baby Rose Queens and they look somewhat similar. Can anybody outhere help me ID these fish???

 

[FishFreak95]

Rose queens can be made that way. Rose queens have no relation to FH. They should look better when they've grown.

 

[BTK]

so there just called rose queens...kinda like RT's huh
is that what i should call them "RQ" when peolple ask...

 

[BTK]

i thought that the cross between Amphilophus labiatus(red devil) and Vieja synspilum(redhead) were 2 of the original 4 pure blood cichlid that made up the flowerhorn... is that not true...If it is true y would it not be called a FH???

 

[FishFreak95]

i thought that the cross between Amphilophus labiatus(red devil) and Vieja synspilum(redhead) were 2 of the original 4 pure blood cichlid that made up the flowerhorn... is that not true...If it is true y would it not be called a FH???

A flowerhorn is much more complicated than a 2 species cross. At least 4 species were involved, probably more. It also included tons of inbreeding and selective breeding. Red texas and Blood parrots contain some fish that may have been part of the Flowerhorns creation, yet they are not considered flowerhorns. I flowerhorn must have trimac IMO. Every breed of Flowerhorn has some trimac I am 100% sure of it. Even if its only a small fraction of the equation. Some breeds of FH have less Trimac and others have more. Im no expert on flowerhorns by far but I cam tell you it is not a flowerhorn.

 

[tiddlywinks]

at this point in fh gene almost everything larger then a convict has been used.

 

[BTK]

yes they have been breed with a bunch of diff fishes...but the original 4 pure cichlids remain the same

 

[dreysthename]

yes they have been breed with a bunch of diff fishes...but the original 4 pure cichlids remain the same

no...that doesn't make sense.
you can trace the origins of flowerhorn to a select few species of fishes. these "original four" were used to create your jin kangs, and your oldschool ZZs.
these two or 1 (some can argue they are one in the same) are the base for modern flowerhorns.
the modern flowerhorn takes these and develops on them further by adding new species,breeding to other intermediate stages, using other "not related" hybrids, and a lot of selective and line breeding to achieve the FH you and I are familiar with.

 

[dreysthename]

ps red devil/ midas x synspillium does not only produce rose queens... when hybridization occurs you will get many variations in the offspring. the most popular, or desired results from this crossing is BPs and rose queens.
BTW i have not ever heard of anyone calling them RQs.

 

[BTK]

right but what im saying every flowerhorn has at least one of the original 4 in them. no matter how much inbreeding or cross breeding they do. you still have to have at least one of the 4....