Tank upgrade to 110, need filtration suggestions please

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KingOfKings55 said:
Wait, so u think he should use one of the eheims plus an fx5 and TWO ac110s on a 110g tank??? U do know that would be almost 20x turnover per hour right? That's beyond over filtration, even without the eheim it would be overkill with an fx5 and two ac110's. An fx5 pushes around 560gph with media, ac's are rated for 428, a 2215 does about 140 and the 2217 is closer to 215. I would either replace the smaller eheims with a 2262 or fx5 and add ONE ac110 (if u cant do a sump), or keep the eheims along with two ac's. That should put u right around 10x with plenty of mechanical filtration for your stock
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Always remember grasshopper, it is not the amount of flow, but the management of said flow that counts. The more the better, always, the more the better.

Now, personally, if I didnt already own a canister like he did, i'd run an FX5 and twin AC110s. But again, thats just me.
 
KingOfKings55 said:
Wait, so u think he should use one of the eheims plus an fx5 and TWO ac110s on a 110g tank??? U do know that would be almost 20x turnover per hour right? That's beyond over filtration, even without the eheim it would be overkill with an fx5 and two ac110's. An fx5 pushes around 560gph with media, ac's are rated for 428, a 2215 does about 140 and the 2217 is closer to 215. I would either replace the smaller eheims with a 2262 or fx5 and add ONE ac110 (if u cant do a sump), or keep the eheims along with two ac's. That should put u right around 10x with plenty of mechanical filtration for your stock
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Also, once the media is in service for a time, i'd be surprised if and FX6 could push 450 GPH. The ACs are closer to 350 GPH, so your looking at less than 15 times over. Sounds good to me.
 
Redearsunfish said:
Always remember grasshopper, it is not the amount of flow, but the management of said flow that counts. The more the better, always, the more the better.

Now, personally, if I didnt already own a canister like he did, i'd run an FX5 and twin AC110s. But again, thats just me.
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Lol but this is exactly my point, most people aim for 5-10x per hour not 10-20. Its not about the amount of flow when u have enough surface area and contact time to handle your bioload, but it is a waste of money and electricity when you have an unnecessary amount of flow (not to mention a ton of current). An fx5 and twin AC's isn't that unreasonable, but I would probably go with two 70's instead of 110s. Considering he already has the eheims tho and doesn't sound like he wants to sell them, I think the best solution would be adding two ac70s or one ac110 and a powerhead to keep debris in the water column
 
Thanks for all the input! You're correct, I'd like to keep the 2215/2217 and add more mechanical filtration. The fx are a great idea for the future. I'd love to have a sump, but my engineer husband won't build one for me until we have our next tank, a 230 for our Malagasy cichlids . BTW, Just to eliminate speculation on that comment, I'm a she, not a he :D

So keeping in mind the idea to add mechanical filtration, I have a hydor 550 power head I can use in the 110 and can also convert one of the spray bars from a canister to a pseudo powerhead. That's actually how I have another tank set up.

That being said, does it sound feasible to have the 2215/2217, with a power head and add an ac110 or two? I'm not opposed to fx5 or fx6, but really don't want to shell out $300+ for an fx when my eheims are only about a year old.

Thanks,
Laurie



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Whoops sorry about that, should've said OP to be safe lol. Two ac110s would be awesome but one should be fine along with the eheims and powerhead.
 
LS2012 said:
I'd love to have a sump, but my engineer husband won't build one for me until we have our next tank, a 230 for our Malagasy cichlids .
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For a 110 tank, you don't really need a sump system. I am an engineer too and don't won't want any system more complicated than necessary. You will get enough filtration and water movement with two AC110 that will give you a combined flow of 1000 gpd or 10x the turn over rate. You don't really need more power head or canister because more is not necessarily better, just a waste of energy. From an engineering perpective, the simpler the system, the less things can go wrong.
 
Thanks to all! I'm very excited to switch over to the 110, can't wait for my background to arrive!

Tiger15, its nice to see consistency in the minds of engineers! That's exactly what he said :thumbup:
KingOfKings, :cool: no worries

So it looks like we're going to add 2 AC110s to the mix.

The established media which will go to the 110 is set up as....

- 2215 standard eheim Bio media setup; mechanical substrate, coarse sponge, Bio pellets, fine filter pad
- 2217 mechanical substrate, 3x coarse sponges, media bag w peat pellets and floss on top

This seems to work really well on the 46, water is always clear. In addition to approx 40% wc every 3 or 4 days, handvac every other day. Gh is 3, kh 3, ph 6.4, Ammonia 0, Nitrites 0, Nitrates 20. Aged RO water for changes.

What should be used as media in the hob's?

Thanks, Laurie

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I have the exact same tank and I'm running a three canister filtration system on it. I decided long ago that if I ever move it our break it down for some reason then I will most definitely switch over to a sump.

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