Rock Python Kills Full Grown Husky in Fla; notes on snake prey, human predation

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These pythons may pose a threat to people who let their pets run rampant but pose no threat to the environment. If anything- they help it out by replacing the apex predator and removing feral cats which are responsible for bird and rodent population crashes.

Keep in mind that these snakes feed mainly on common animals like racoons, opossums, armadillos, etc. and only eat an average of once a month. Also keep in mind that there are not nearly as many as the USGS and USFWS have said that there were. Independent research also shows that they will not be spreading north. This whole thing is a media sensation but nothing more.

Frank- why not post the rest of whatever it is you have to say here and get rid of the links? It's ridiculously annoying.

Hello; Similar hopes were held out for other invasive species such as the fire ants. I have seen fire ant nests near Knoxville TN, USA. It seems that species often considered to be only tropical sometimes have the ability to adjust to colder climates. The jury could still be out on this one.

I always included a unit on invasive species when I taught biology classes. The economic impact is very expensive for sure. I also fail to see how and animal capable of killing a full grown husky could not be a threat to people. I had a husky for several years and can attest that such a dog is normally not a pushover. I personally know of 60 pound humans and doubt they could hold up better than a husky.

I fall on the side that the invasive species issue is not just media hype. I gather from reading posts on this forum that many members do not want any restrictions on the import and/or keeping of non native species in the USA. Unfortunately there are some exotic species that have proven too much of a problem after they get established. If all people who have kept these species did it properly we would not have such problems to the extent that we now do. It seems that in addition to the folks who have a somewhat careless approach to preventing escapes, there have been a number who simply release their unwanted pets into the wild instead of rehoming them or destroying them.
 
this has been such a headache for me since I am a reptile breeder and business owner, There are lots of misinformation about the truth in Florida and the time I have been there and back I have not seen any large constrictors they issued a day where 600 people went to kill snakes and only came across 6 the snakes were not introduced by people they all stem to a facility in Miami that all the snakes where inadvertently introduced by the damage from Katrina but Peta and HSUS have used this to attack the reptile industry the real issue in Florida that no one takes into thought is the amount of Feral Cats and dogs.
 
Rock pythons take out full sized deer that are heavier. Not suprised. Also, huskies are not aggressive in nature and might have just got in the way. Sad :( such beautiful dogs.

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this has been such a headache for me since I am a reptile breeder and business owner, There are lots of misinformation about the truth in Florida and the time I have been there and back I have not seen any large constrictors they issued a day where 600 people went to kill snakes and only came across 6 the snakes were not introduced by people they all stem to a facility in Miami that all the snakes where inadvertently introduced by the damage from Katrina but Peta and HSUS have used this to attack the reptile industry the real issue in Florida that no one takes into thought is the amount of Feral Cats and dogs.

the feral cat issue is nationwide yet you dont see much of a fuss over that.

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With all due respect, this dog was killed in it's own yard, not "running rampant".

I completely agree about feral cats, an issue we struggle with here in the UK. But how often a snake is feeding depends ENTIRELY upon it's lifestage and the size of prey it's taking. Growing snakes will feed as often as possible in order for growth and repair. Females reaching maturity will feed insanely. The "once a month" feeding refers only to adult snakes for a maintenance diet - that is to maintain weight when energy is not used for breeding or growing - so we're talking about mainly adult males here. Size of prey wise, if no larger prey is available and they are taking smaller prey, they will need more smaller prey items than a single larger one.

It would be great if it was as simple as Burmese Pythons predating only on or mostly on feral cats and dogs which would help that individual issue; but you only need to look at the history of invasive species introduced by man to see that this very rarely, if ever works out quite so. The problem is, you're messing with a very delicate ecological balance with ecological niches, and whenever it is done it upsets this delicate balance greatly in some way. Even if Burms only predated on your feral cats, what then happens to the explosion of rodents that will quickly follow suite? What about all the invertebrate species that will then plummet due to this? This is when rodents start infesting crops and human dwellings trying to source food. And what about the species the invertebrates fed on? They will sky rocket. How will this affect other species? What about your native reptiles that feed on rodents? You are likely to see a population explosion for them. A reaction for every action, ecology really is not quite as simple as dealing with only one species.

One point I do agree on that has been mentioned, is that unfortunately feral cat numbers are for the most part, shrugged off as no big issue while Burmese Python invasion is viewed as horrific. I'm guessing that is because they are perfectly capable of killing adult humans, nevermind children whereas cats are not. Still saddens me that nothing is really being done about the feral cat issue either over your side of the pond or on my side. But then again pet cats play as much of a role in predation as do ferals.

Also understand that people who are not snake lovers haven't had to deal with this issue, I imagine having an invasive species as Burmese Pythons suddenly thrust upon them will be quite frightening for them.

These pythons may pose a threat to people who let their pets run rampant but pose no threat to the environment. If anything- they help it out by replacing the apex predator and removing feral cats which are responsible for bird and rodent population crashes.

Keep in mind that these snakes feed mainly on common animals like racoons, opossums, armadillos, etc. and only eat an average of once a month. Also keep in mind that there are not nearly as many as the USGS and USFWS have said that there were. Independent research also shows that they will not be spreading north.

This whole thing is a media sensation but nothing more.

Frank- why not post the rest of whatever it is you have to say here and get rid of the links? It's ridiculously annoying.
 
Let me clarify what I said- I am not a fan of constrictors being in the ecosystem. They do cause some damage but it is microscopic when compared to other invasives such as feral cats- let alone habitat destruction and hypernitrification of the water in the everglades. There is ZERO chance of the snakes spreading north of Orlando and it is doubtful that they will reach that far. For the years that they have been in south FL there has been very little spread. There have been studies where the snakes were released into natural environments in Gainesville, FL and South Carolina (where a paper by the USGS said that they would spread to and then continue as far north as D.C.) EVERY SNAKE DIED from the cold. I have read this paper and even went to a thesis defense of one of the coauthors who used this research for his thesis.

Another point I do not think I made clear enough is that these snakes are taking on the role that the FL panther once had when it was wide spread. They eat much of the same prey items- just not nearly as often.

I am a TA for Invasion Ecology of Amphibians and Reptiles (WIS4934 if you want to look it up) at the University of FL and if you ask me, there is way too much attention on the pythons. If you want an invasive herp to watch out for it is Tegus. They are cold tolerant and eating machines. Another one is the cuban tree frog. They devour native hyla spp. and are about the only tree frogs I see any more.
 
Part of me hates to introduce this to the thread (I'm a big fan of constrictors as pets!), and given there's (I think?) still some possibility of a murder investigation going on, but:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/08/22/nb-python-campbellton-blood.html

That article is crazy, the snake sounds like James Bond:

"escaped through the top of a glass enclosure, slithered through the ventilation system and fell through the ceiling into the room where the boys were sleeping"

Article never explained the blood on the guy's hands though.

Also, 17 FRTs in the freezer?!?!

There wouldn't need to be any new regulations if existing laws were enforced, this guy didn't have a license since 2000 and nobody inspected or knew what he was doing since then?
 
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