So they aren't offering a six anymore?That's always the base model, a four banger.
A couple weeks ago I saw an article about a sleeper race Camry. Full tube chassis, Toyota V8, turbo I think, anyone else see it?
Dodge Challenger Hellcat....over 700 hp..are you kidding me?
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So they aren't offering a six anymore?That's always the base model, a four banger.
A couple weeks ago I saw an article about a sleeper race Camry. Full tube chassis, Toyota V8, turbo I think, anyone else see it?
Some of the higher displacement toyota and honda 4's put out relatively respectable horsepower and torque.
The 2.3L In my accord puts out 150hp 154ftlbs of torque. Thats comparable to many medium sized Gm v6's from the 90's... all while getting 30mpg.
I've driven some newer toyotas. Pretty zippy little cars all things considered.
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The 2.3L In my accord puts out 150hp 154ftlbs of torque. Thats comparable to many medium sized Gm v6's from the 90's... all while getting 30mpg.
I've driven some newer toyotas. Pretty zippy little cars all things considered.
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The only reason diesels are great is cause you can make lots of power but you can only do that with emissions. With the laws now many don't understand you can't even run a new diesel without filling up on def (diesel exhaust fluid). Add that to the price of gas, the improper handling of the gas you buy that isn't mixed right due to politics (bio diesel) that will lead to gelling up in the winter and all of a sudden there's lots of costs that many people overlook and don't understand till it happens. All it takes is buying mis-advertised bio diesel and it could cost you stupid money.
They're cracking down on emissions. That's why the new $70K dollar pickups run $3500 diesel particulate filters in addition to needing def to stay clean enough to be legal. Delete EGR and program it and your local dealer will figure it out. Bye bye warranty. Even a K&N can void the 100K warranty now.
Never heard of a $30K long block? Go down to your local Mopar counter and inquire about the Eco diesel going into he new grand Cherokees.
Diesel is the "way of the future" for one reason - auto manufacturers have mileage mandates that need to be met, BUT guess what? There's no limit on how much the mileage costs. As long as they can bring the average up they'll do it even if it takes $30K engines. Different manufacturers have different takes on this - Dodge/Chrysler/Fiat likes diesels but it's costing a fortune to clean them up enough to get them by the EPA. Ford's taking the small cheap force fed approach. Smaller engines with turbos (ecoboost). Guess who isn't going to service their vehicle regularly? The person that paid $60-70K for a Jeep that gets butt hurt about $200+ oil changes (recommended to drain for almost an hour). So then people who can't afford a new one buys some neglected uncared for money pit. Would rather buy a new disposable 100K mile car, wouldn't you?
With technology bringing us force fed gas with variable timing I see no reason to opt for diesel unless its a work truck, since the gas engines are so much cheaper to get and maintain.
Just my .02$...... lol
They're cracking down on emissions. That's why the new $70K dollar pickups run $3500 diesel particulate filters in addition to needing def to stay clean enough to be legal. Delete EGR and program it and your local dealer will figure it out. Bye bye warranty. Even a K&N can void the 100K warranty now.
Never heard of a $30K long block? Go down to your local Mopar counter and inquire about the Eco diesel going into he new grand Cherokees.
Diesel is the "way of the future" for one reason - auto manufacturers have mileage mandates that need to be met, BUT guess what? There's no limit on how much the mileage costs. As long as they can bring the average up they'll do it even if it takes $30K engines. Different manufacturers have different takes on this - Dodge/Chrysler/Fiat likes diesels but it's costing a fortune to clean them up enough to get them by the EPA. Ford's taking the small cheap force fed approach. Smaller engines with turbos (ecoboost). Guess who isn't going to service their vehicle regularly? The person that paid $60-70K for a Jeep that gets butt hurt about $200+ oil changes (recommended to drain for almost an hour). So then people who can't afford a new one buys some neglected uncared for money pit. Would rather buy a new disposable 100K mile car, wouldn't you?
With technology bringing us force fed gas with variable timing I see no reason to opt for diesel unless its a work truck, since the gas engines are so much cheaper to get and maintain.
Just my .02$...... lol
Not to mention DEF fluid is basically pee. And there's that..
I know atleast on the heavy duty diesel side - particulate filters have a purge cycle where they super heat and cook off soot. Be careful where you park that bad boy. The local city bus company torched a couple trees because they had issues with purge cycles intermittently occuring for no reason.
Pre emissions diesels were so cool. I had a customer with a fleet of 20 something busses, the only ones they could keep on the road were manufactured in the 80's and had over a million CITY miles on em. The 2010+ junk went down incessantly.
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I know atleast on the heavy duty diesel side - particulate filters have a purge cycle where they super heat and cook off soot. Be careful where you park that bad boy. The local city bus company torched a couple trees because they had issues with purge cycles intermittently occuring for no reason.
Pre emissions diesels were so cool. I had a customer with a fleet of 20 something busses, the only ones they could keep on the road were manufactured in the 80's and had over a million CITY miles on em. The 2010+ junk went down incessantly.
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