What influences fish color?

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What influences fish color?


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background, substrate, genetics, water quality; overall health and type of foods present. Oh and also breeding colours potentially.
Everything the Scotsman said plus lighting, temperament, aggression/stress levels and age/size as well.

Kittiee Katt Kittiee Katt hit the nail on the head with mood - just like a Chameleon or Anole, fish's colors change depending on their "feelings" at the time. Anger and Aggression tend to brighten colors, while stress and fear tend to darken them, but it CAN vary depending on the color of the fish itself so sometimes you will have to read body-language to tell what mood it is in. Aggression is obviously the easiest body-language to read for a fish.

Look at people....never seen someone's face turn red when they get mad or embarrassed and turn white or pale when they get scared or in despair?
 
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Is it true that dominance plays a role in a community tank? Seems to me like the dominant fish has vivid colors, the weaker fish is drab and washed out. Especially two of the same species and sex.

Obviously, if they are opposite sex, then there's love and they both have vivid colors.
I believe it would. My dominant male white cloud has much brighter reds than the less dominant one. Same with most of my tetra's, the dominant ones all display more vibrant colours. :)
 
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I wanted to see what would happen so I took down some of the black poster board I was using as a background and put up some old particle board I had behind the jaguars pot. After about 5ish minutes he turned from all black to a dark shade of the normal jaguar colors. Pretty interesting. I think I'll be taking down all of my poster board now.
 
Correct answer is all of the above, but in varying degrees. Which one actually makes a discernible difference with your fish will depend on the species and the sum of the other factors. Color in some fish is more water quality sensitive-- or in some species can even be sensitive to which minerals are present in the water and in what proportions-- some fish are more nutrient sensitive, some more variable according to both tank and ambient lighting conditions, some are very changeable according to mood or can vary according to status within a group, spawning status, etc. That's one reason you'll get different opinions, it depends somewhat on which fish you're talking about.

Another reason you'll get different opinions is it can also be situation of everything else being equal, this or that makes the difference. Example: everything else being equal, some species are more sensitive to diet. Or, everything else being equal, water quality is the primary variable or everything else being equal, background and lighting. I've done a LOT of food experimenting, some species look better on one while another species will look better on another food or another species no real difference either way-- part of the reason for arguments on this imo. I bred red head geos for several years and I can make them more orange or more red according to which food I give them.

Lighting is it's own whole subject, in terms of spectrum of your particular bulbs. Differences between bulbs can wash out, intensify, highlight, distort, muddy, or clarify not only fish color but also plants, rocks, etc.

The "enhancement" is all visual on the dry side of the glass. Certain colors will be visually more appealing because of color and contrast. I think you are saying the same thing with the shirt example. My point was that the fish won't actually change color because of a background or substrate. That has to be a more direct physical reaction to diet, genetics and water.
That can be true up to a point, but apparently you've never kept Cyphotilapia, especially gibberosa, which absolutely change according to environmental color and lighting conditions and can darken or lighten themselves dramatically and can also change hue-- more blue, more purple, more black, etc. So that may be true of some species, but not all. Cyphotilapia are also very mood driven or can look very different in one tank vs. another based purely on lighting, background, substrate, what other fish are in the tank, etc. Again, it can depend on species.
 
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Well said Neutrino. I will also add to that, Mo, you are totally wrong here amigo.

My point was that the fish won't actually change color because of a background or substrate.

Many species of fish wlll indeed actually change color because of the color of their background, and/or substrate. This is all well documented, and not just in cyphos, which I have personally seen myself. In SE Asia many Asian aro keepers manipulate the color of their fish using tools such as white tank treatment. Once a fish from WTT is removed from that environment, and placed in darker more normal tank setting, color and shine change drastically, almost overnight. Many consumers of these fish find this tactic (WTT) to be an act of deception on the part of the seller, as the only way the fish will continue to look like a 24K gold bar, is if it is kept for life in WTT. Once removed, the fish changes color and shine soon after.

In many species of fish, a darker or lighter background/substrate can sometimes trigger a morphological change within the chromatophore cells of the fish. You can read more about this in the following link. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12242707

There is a ton of research out there on this subject.
 
Well said Neutrino. I will also add to that, Mo, you are totally wrong here amigo.



Many species of fish wlll indeed actually change color because of the color of their background, and/or substrate. This is all well documented, and not just in cyphos, which I have personally seen myself. In SE Asia many Asian aro keepers manipulate the color of their fish using tools such as white tank treatment. Once a fish from WTT is removed from that environment, and placed in darker more normal tank setting, color and shine change drastically, almost overnight. Many consumers of these fish find this tactic (WTT) to be an act of deception on the part of the seller, as the only way the fish will continue to look like a 24K gold bar, is if it is kept for life in WTT. Once removed, the fish changes color and shine soon after.

In many species of fish, a darker or lighter background/substrate can sometimes trigger a morphological change within the chromatophore cells of the fish. You can read more about this in the following link. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12242707

There is a ton of research out there on this subject.


Thanks for the insight, pal. Totally, though. It can be said for ALL specie of fish or just select species? Always love learning, buddy. Appreciated.
 
IME most fish, including those classified as cichlids. Most cichlids were born to adapt, so adapting to different environments only makes sense.
 
IME most fish, including those classified as cichlids. Most cichlids were born to adapt, so adapting to different environments only makes sense.
Most of my tanks have and have had tanks with either white or black backgrounds and have never seen a difference. Some of the fish living for over a decade in the tank. I guess I would need to setup some kind of comparative study...but IME I don't see it. Not saying it isn't so...but at least from what I've seen it had no bearing.
 
I dunno Mo, even the overhead lighting that one uses can influence a shift in color/pattern in a fish.

Check out the fish in figure 1 in the following paper.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3925314/

In that study they also mention Killifish, and Zebrafish, some interesting comments regarding those species, and background color as well.

Of course how color changes in substrate, background, and overhead lighting affect each & every cichlid species is anyones guess, but I have seen enough over the years to determine that in many cichlids, it can & will have an affect.
 
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