Help understanding sump setup with a continuous drip system...

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If you (like Ragin Cajun) were to drip 400+ gallons in a 500+ tank per week, that's an 80% water change, which I consider a perfectly adequate amount.
As long as that's kind of goal is adhered to, it should work well. Especially if detritus wasn't a problem, and wasn;t building up.
But I believe when many think of "drip", they may be talking about a drip of (at best) 100 gallons in a 500 gal tank per week, which to me, would seem a bit wimpy.

I do vacuum the tank twice a week. It's about the only maintenance I do now. I change socks, change carbon filter cartridges every 3 months, wipe the glass. Very easy. But, I DO vacuum all the damn time.

Bigger the fish get, more they eat, the more I have to vacuum. It's outta control in there. I think CA cichlids when they're grown are just as bad as Pleco.s
 
I drip per 1 day 125-150 on my 500 system and 200-250 on the 720. Seems ludicrous to me just writing that, what a ginormous waste of fresh water.

I have a 1.5 inch bed of round gravel that my rays adore making craters in and hunting for food, crazy how they rearrange stuff. Point is, no detritus survives in the gravel, stopped trying because everytime I did it was completely clean.
 
You guys have Rays--what kind of bio do ya'll use? I'm wondering if I could get away with pond matrix in laundry bags for bio in my sump if I were to keep a couple rays?
 
I have 25l k1, 10g bio balls and 7kg of bio home in one sump and the other sump has 120 pot srubbies and 3 kg of bio home.
You might be able to get away with it I have not tried sump with no baffles so I can't say for sure.
Personally if I was going to do it that way (with no baffles) I would run 2 filter socks and use 40 pounds of natural charcoal ( lava rock) as media or as much as I can fit in my sump just because it would only cost 50 dollars
 
If you (like Ragin Cajun) were to drip 400+ gallons in a 500+ tank per week, that's an 80% water change, which I consider a perfectly adequate amount.
As long as that's kind of goal is adhered to, it should work well. Especially if detritus wasn't a problem, and wasn;t building up.
But I believe when many think of "drip", they may be talking about a drip of (at best) 100 gallons in a 500 gal tank per week, which to me, would seem a bit wimpy.
I disagree. A 400 change in a 500 gallon tank is about a 25% water change. This is actually the first time I have disagreed with you! See chapter 3 of Aquatic Systems and Engineering. Theory of Filtration;: Circulation and Turnover. It took a calculator for me to get through.
 
I reread the chapter in Aquatic Systems Engineering, I'm not sure it applies to a drip system, but its gist is reared toward a closed loop system of filtration, not the continuous addition of new water.
On the other hand I do see the point that simply dividing the total gallons by water replaced is not a realistic look at the amount of water being changed.
This is why I always tried to do a 30% water change on my system every other day. in theory, a 110% water change per week, although more realistically much less.
My barometer was the drop in tanks alkalinity. When I changed less than 30% every other day I would notice a 20% or higher drop in alkalinity almost immediately after a water change, which suggested that fish urine was almost instantaneously eating up 20% of the value of the water change (20% of the new waters buffering capacity). But doing a 30% change, about 10% (sometimes less) of the new waters alkalinity was neutralized, a value which I considered tolerable. I know most people use nitrates as a barometer of water quality, but I found the quick reaction of alkalinity to be much more "real time" test of my tanks actual water quality.
I'm not trying to lessen the significance of nitrate, but I had access to an alkalinity titration set up, along with the other testing parameter tests, which most aquarists probably don't.
As to baffles, I found them to be a hindrance to performing maintenance, so discontinued their use early in my sump experimentation process.
I found hanging filter bags for mechanical on the sump entrance end, and placing bio media in mesh bags mid sump, was just as effective as crowding a tank with baffles that got in the way when doing work, or worse were a hassle to remove when I decided things needed to be altered.
 
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Now here's a "drip calculator" on the web for this very thing. It puts a number on it for us. Put in tank volume, amount dripped per day, and it returns how much changed per week.

A very nice starting point for planning how much to drip.

http://www.angelfish.net/DripSystemcalc.php
 
So what's the advantage of a continuous drip, over regular water changes? Seems like I could get better milage with a 25 or 50% capacity holding tank. Then do a quick aquarium dump and pump in the new water.
 
I like a drip because I don't have to do anything. I don't have to sit in front of a 540 gallon tank and wait for hose to refill it. I just change cartridges every 3 months. If I'm outta town and I can't do a water change for 2-3 weeks, I don't have a problem.
 
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