Picked up some Marble Veija Fenestratus juveniles

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Saw some white convict looking cichlids with odd patches on them. Then I asked the shop owner and found out they were Marbled Veija Fenestratus. After researching online, I had to get some! I have several adult Veija in an outdoor pond. So I can just imagine how striking these will be in the future.

One thing that I've noticed about the ones I bought, is they have much more white than the ones I've seen online. (I have to wait after I post a few more times before I can add links to a video or post pics.) So I'm guessing that these were line breed much more to attain so much white. ??

What are other's thoughts on this?

Oh my goodness <3 Where did you get these?! I have been searching for them everywhere. The only ones that i can find are what people are calling marbled, but they don't look like anything like the black and white ones when i do a google search of the marbled fenestratus.. I want one of the black and white ones!!!
 
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Oh my goodness <3 Where did you get these?! I have been searching for them everywhere. The only ones that i can find are what people are calling marbled, but they don't look like anything like the black and white ones when i do a google search of the marbled fenestratus.. I want one of the black and white ones!!!

I found out the ones I got were imported from Thailand. A friend also bought four. I suspect that they must have worked on this line (selecting ones with more white to spawn) to get more white on the offspring. I think 50/50 would be nice! Too much white will yield a plain white fish.

The great thing is I've found that they are a naturally occurring morph. Not a cross or hybrid of any sort. ...there's a few left at the shop. We select the better patterned ones. I may go and get the rest now. LOL
 
The great thing is I've found that they are a naturally occurring morph. Not a cross or hybrid of any sort. .

I'm not convinced that these are naturally occurring in the wild. To my knowledge they first surfaced approx. 10 yrs ago in AU, from pet stock purchased at a LFS. Importing wild caught fish into AU is a logistical nightmare. Not only is importing WC cichlids very costly, but it is next to impossible for the average hobbyist. You can only import fish from countries approved by AQIS & you need to have a registered compliant quarantine room.

Their was no provenance back to the wild, or anywhere else. Maybe another Thai import? Anyways. for what it's worth a past discussion showing this strain of fish, along with a link to the breeder in AU.
https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/marbled-fenestratus-breeding-project.466053/

and another …..

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/paratheraps-fenestratus-piebald.684138/
 
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I'm not convinced that these are naturally occurring in the wild. To my knowledge they first surfaced approx. 10 yrs ago in AU, from pet stock purchased at a LFS. Importing wild caught fish into AU is a logistical nightmare. Not only is importing WC cichlids very costly, but it is next to impossible for the average hobbyist. You can only import fish from countries approved by AQIS & you need to have a registered compliant quarantine room.

Their was no provenance back to the wild, or anywhere else. Maybe another Thai import? Anyways. for what it's worth a past discussion showing this strain of fish, along with a link to the breeder in AU.
https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/marbled-fenestratus-breeding-project.466053/

and another …..

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/paratheraps-fenestratus-piebald.684138/

I did find some photos online that claim to be Marble Fenestratus -
"By Pavaphon Supanantananont

Royalty-free stock photo ID: 1196864299Marble Fenestratus Cichlid ( Vieja fenestratus) from Lake Catemaco"

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I read that the Marbled and regular Fenestratus co-exist in the same lake.

If that's the case, it could be possible that the breeder in Australia had a pair that carried the marble genes and therefore produced marble fry. And if they've never seen the Marble traits before, they would conclude that they "created" that type of Fenestratus .
 
I also found this (see attached screenshot), which further claims there are marble Fenestratus in the wild.

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Seen all of that, and then some. The Lake Catemaco strain does not look anything like the marbled version. I've seen them in person, and many just like them online. Also, there is no doubt in my mind that the breeder in AU had a pair that carried this gene, but again, there was no provenance back to the wild, or anywhere else.

If you have provenance back to the wild, great. If not, then you have an aquarium strain of who knows what.
 
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