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What on earth could the liquid have been in order for it not to be frozen on that frigid night.....Prestone?
Hello; I suppose if the liquid was not out in the air very long it might not have frozen? Or perhaps it was kept next to a persons body? That part does not bother me so much. I do still wonder about the smell of bleach. To me bleach has a distinctive smell and if the early reports have not been retracted then if it smelled of bleach then it it likely was bleach. Gets back to how bleach will change the color of clothes so it ought to be easy enough.

You guys sure are working hard to discredit Mr. Smollett...
Hello; Yeah some are very skeptical and others are equally accepting of the story. My bet is neither camp knows for sure as we were not present. Within the last few days a few other claims have been made that proved to be bogus. A man faked slipping on ice in a restaurant but did not know store cameras caught the whole fake act. I saw where a woman claimed somehow her child was lost but it turned out she was trying to get money donations. I am sure there are other such incidents which could be cited.
Not saying Mr. Smollett's story is bogus because again I do not know. But the fact that there are lots of bogus stories around might be why some are skeptical of this one and waiting for more proof. When a lesser known celebrity comes up with an inflamatory story, I then reflect back to all the other times celebrities have tried to get their name in the news. I for one did not know of his existence before this story but now I do know of him and his TV show. Not saying the story is false but I await some confirmation before accepting it at face value.

Did they catch the perpetrators or even give a decent description?
Hello; Not that I have seen or heard. Best I have seen is an unclear picture of two people walking on a sidewalk. I guess around the same time and place as the alleged incident.
 
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Hahahah lmao. This should be interesting
 
I'm sure you guys will assume he orchestrated this as well:

Week before reported attack, Jussie Smollett got threatening letter with 'MAGA' written for return address

"A week before he says he was attacked by two men yelling slurs, “Empire” star Jussie Smollett reported receiving a small white envelope addressed to him in a thick red scrawl at the Fox production studios on the West Side.

Smollett told police he and the show’s executive producer used gloves to open the envelope. Inside was a sheet of white paper with a threat in cut-out letters: “You will die black ***.” There was white powder in the envelope, but it was later determined to be crushed acetaminophen, a pain reliever found in Tylenol, police said.

Witnesses told police a postal worker dropped off the letter. It was postmarked in southwest suburban Bedford Park on Jan. 18, four days earlier, and bore two American flag stamps. The letters MAGA were written, also in red ink, in the upper-left corner of the envelope.'

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...e-smollett-alleged-attack-20190204-story.html
 
I'm sure you guys will assume he orchestrated this as well:

Week before reported attack, Jussie Smollett got threatening letter with 'MAGA' written for return address

"A week before he says he was attacked by two men yelling slurs, “Empire” star Jussie Smollett reported receiving a small white envelope addressed to him in a thick red scrawl at the Fox production studios on the West Side.

Smollett told police he and the show’s executive producer used gloves to open the envelope. Inside was a sheet of white paper with a threat in cut-out letters: “You will die black ***.” There was white powder in the envelope, but it was later determined to be crushed acetaminophen, a pain reliever found in Tylenol, police said.

Witnesses told police a postal worker dropped off the letter. It was postmarked in southwest suburban Bedford Park on Jan. 18, four days earlier, and bore two American flag stamps. The letters MAGA were written, also in red ink, in the upper-left corner of the envelope.'

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...e-smollett-alleged-attack-20190204-story.html

This is not new information. All of this was released already.
 
Well I’m not saying he did or didn’t get attcked I just don’t know.
But if you were going to fake something like this wouldn’t you kinda lay some groundwork and put the thought out there that someone had a problem with you.
 
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Well I’m not saying he did or didn’t get attcked I just don’t know.
But if you were going to fake something like this wouldn’t you kinda lay some groundwork and put the thought out there that someone had a problem with you.

Agreed. Its not impossible that the guy isnt lying. The pictures and the fact he didnt take the rope off to me are issues
 
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Hello; Clearly there are at least two ways to look at this set of accusations. Clearly because two have been aired so far in this thread. To me no matter which turns out to be true it is a bad situation.

One the one hand if the attack happened the way so far described that is in itself bad if for no other reason than it enhances violence above just rhetoric. If the beating turns out to have been a true event it will stir things up to higher levels. That the beating left Mr. Smollett able to walk away appears to indicate the ones doing the beating pulled their punches to at least some extent. Even so the beating will make things worse if true.

On the other side if the incident turns out to have been staged it will make things worse in another way. If a faked event, then the inflammatory statements with polarizing implications will just add to the distrust already present.

I do not know which case will be the worse. Until some definite information can be had we are just flapping out keyboard gums on this open thread. Not bad in itself as long as we keep it civil.
 
One way to look at the attack on Mr. Smollett is that he is but one victim among many in a spike in hate crimes, as the FBI reports: "The most recent FBI hate crimes report found a 17 percent year-over-year spike in bias crimes in 2017 — the third consecutive yearly increase. Nearly 58 percent of the reported bias incidents were motivated by the victims’ race, ethnicity or ancestry, and more than 17 percent were motivated by sexual orientation or gender identity."
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ace-compounded-violence-advocates-say-n964891

Another way to look at it is that he is a high profile victim that could bring additional attention and resources to this national problem.

A third is that there is a concerted effort to discredit Mr. Smollett to try, I'd assume, to distract or deny that the growth in the number of hate crimes in this country is real. I'd also assume that such efforts are based in bad faith: racism, homophobia, ignorance, bigotry, blind partisanship or some combination of these.

Other than what I read from the Chicago Police Department or other credible sources, I have no more information than anyone about the attack on Mr. Smollett. Other than conjecture, there is no evidence that either Mr. Smollett or the Chicago Police are lying. And plenty of evidence to the contrary, including statements from the Police themselves.

What I do know is that there are plenty of bigots, racists and homophobes who want nothing more than to use some Mr. Smollett's case as a premise to mock LGBTQ people and/or people of color and as a way to deny that hate crime is a problem and to do anything about it.

If you're one of those people, I'm not going to change your mind. But I hope you at least realize what you are.


Hello; Clearly there are at least two ways to look at this set of accusations. Clearly because two have been aired so far in this thread. To me no matter which turns out to be true it is a bad situation.

One the one hand if the attack happened the way so far described that is in itself bad if for no other reason than it enhances violence above just rhetoric. If the beating turns out to have been a true event it will stir things up to higher levels. That the beating left Mr. Smollett able to walk away appears to indicate the ones doing the beating pulled their punches to at least some extent. Even so the beating will make things worse if true.

On the other side if the incident turns out to have been staged it will make things worse in another way. If a faked event, then the inflammatory statements with polarizing implications will just add to the distrust already present.

I do not know which case will be the worse. Until some definite information can be had we are just flapping out keyboard gums on this open thread. Not bad in itself as long as we keep it civil.
 
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