How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?
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Wife got her official notification that she can book her vax now and is in group 3, first dose end of July, second end of August. No idea about me yet, I should be in group 4 which is basically, "Everyone else" and probably get it around end of August.
I walked into my local vons to get hot pockets, and they said I could get my first dose. But that’s in California.
Yeah, we're way behind other places on vaccinating but then we have no covid.
Scientists must question themselves as well.
Half of what we know today of science was once thought bunk. Many people were basically trying to correct what turned out to be the truth.
Humans spend a lot of time “improving” things that we shouldn’t be doing it all. It becomes clearer in hindsight.
A lot of times people keep their mouth shut for the good of humanity. Fauci tried to do this but he’s a crappy actor and he fumbled. Do it … ok don’t Do it, do it, do be do be do be do, Like a freaking song and dance… but people call him a scientist on TV.
He has the essential scientific credentials, but this in no way guarantees that he is observing the code of ethics. Like most people, his ethics come with a paycheck attached.
Sometimes scientists do realize mistakes and they quietly backfill before people are panicked.
There’s a very famous case in New York where a man kept his mouth shut for 20 years. He knew the truth, but did not want a million people to be panicked because they were afraid to go to work.
We don’t want people afraid to take the vaccine. I think that as time goes on, and we see that people aren’t actually dropping dead from the vaccine in significant numbers, The idea will become more popular.
But the fact is that human beings are mostly behaving like cattle when it comes to large numbers. It’s not a scientific response on their part at all. They will rush one way or the other along with the herd.
Pretty much anywhere in the country, COVID vaccine is widely available and free.
The main issue is that people believe misinformation and decline to take advantage of the opportunity to get vaccinated.
The main issue is that people believe misinformation and decline to take advantage of the opportunity to get vaccinated.
Vaccination...like everything else in life...is indeed a gamble, but the odds are so overwhelmingly in your favour of getting a good result that it is a pretty safe bet. I really think many people use the idea that it is dangerous simply because they just need to argue and can't come up with anything more plausible to bolster their side of the debate.
This isn't an extreme perspective. I really am trying to see the validity on both sides, and admitting that there is some on both sides. Bear in mind that I have made my choice, I am already fully vaccinated; I am in your camp, so to speak. I weighed the minute risks posed by the vaccination against the greater risks posed by the virus and made what I believe to be the obvious, logical choice.
"Extreme" would be categorically stating that one's own side is absolutely, completely correct in all aspects, and that the opposing side is completely wrong. "Extreme" would be pointing at someone (i.e. me) who agrees with you and has followed the same course as you, but implying that my commitment isn't absolute (which, of course, it isn't) so I'm still not correct. "Extreme" would be deciding that some particular source of information is the ultimate Holy Grail of Truth and everything else is worthless.
In this thread, who has been and continues to be extreme? I'm pretty sure it's not me. I enjoy a spirited debate as much as the next guy and more than most, but I'm not getting into this one; debates often run their course after all the arguments are presented. After that they just become shouting matches with the same old stuff repeated and reworded. No fun in that. You two fellows are doing a fine job of updating "Who's on first?" Carry on!
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Of course science isn't impervious to falsification and fraud. But there are lots of incentives for other scientists to correct errors, expose fraud or even research that can't be replicated.
A perfect example of this is the fraudulent research at the heart of the anti-vaccine movement: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831678/
Lancet retracts 12-year-old article linking autism to MMR vaccines
Twelve years after publishing a landmark study that turned tens of thousands of parents around the world against the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine because of an implied link between vaccinations and autism, The Lancet has retracted the paper.
In a statement published on Feb. 2, the British medical journal said that it is now clear that “several elements” of a 1998 paper it published by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues (Lancet 1998;351[9103]:637–41) “are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation.”
Unfortunately, that fraudulent research - while accepted as bunk by the science community - still shapes the views of many, many people who "do their own research" on the internet/Facebook.
That we don't use the Astra-Zeneca COVID vaccine in the US is a great example of how the CDC and FDA advisory boards - the groups of INDEPENDENT scientists chosen to advise key vaccine policy and coverage decisions.
In the US, we have given 331,000,000 doses of COVID vaccine. And 158,000,000 people fully vaccinated (48% of the population). If there were thousands of people dropping dead from the vaccine, we'd know it. We have to rely on (Russian) propaganda, social media nonsense and overstating the actual adverse events that do occur.
A perfect example of this is the fraudulent research at the heart of the anti-vaccine movement: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831678/
Lancet retracts 12-year-old article linking autism to MMR vaccines
Twelve years after publishing a landmark study that turned tens of thousands of parents around the world against the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine because of an implied link between vaccinations and autism, The Lancet has retracted the paper.
In a statement published on Feb. 2, the British medical journal said that it is now clear that “several elements” of a 1998 paper it published by Dr. Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues (Lancet 1998;351[9103]:637–41) “are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation.”
Unfortunately, that fraudulent research - while accepted as bunk by the science community - still shapes the views of many, many people who "do their own research" on the internet/Facebook.
That we don't use the Astra-Zeneca COVID vaccine in the US is a great example of how the CDC and FDA advisory boards - the groups of INDEPENDENT scientists chosen to advise key vaccine policy and coverage decisions.
In the US, we have given 331,000,000 doses of COVID vaccine. And 158,000,000 people fully vaccinated (48% of the population). If there were thousands of people dropping dead from the vaccine, we'd know it. We have to rely on (Russian) propaganda, social media nonsense and overstating the actual adverse events that do occur.
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