How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

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This is a problem with reading the newspaper. The statistics they report are not always based on exactly the same parameters in the state report.
 
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Science Can’t Keep Up With Virus, Creating Worry for Vaccinated (msn.com)



Hello; (my comments) This link has something for everyone. I can pick quotes that suit my way of thinking. Someone else can find something to suit a different way to look at it. The author make a point that there is not good enough information to draw a lot of conclusions. I could pull quotes and make not a comment myself and yet some mind reader out there will claim to know what I am thinking.



“Anecdotes tell us what the data can’t: Vaccinated people appear to be getting the coronavirus at a surprisingly high rate. But exactly how often isn’t clear, nor is it certain how likely they are to spread the virus to others. And now, there’s growing concern that vaccinated people may be more vulnerable to serious illness than previously thought.”



“Absent clear public health messaging, vaccinated people are left confused about how to protect themselves.”

“In lieu of answers, what has emerged is a host of case studies providing somewhat different pictures of breakthrough infections.”

““It’s quite clear that we have more breakthroughs now,” said Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease expert at the University of California, San Francisco. “We all know someone who has had one. But we don’t have great clinical data.””



“One of the best known outbreaks among vaccinated people occurred in the small beach town of Provincetown, Massachusetts, as thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated alike gathered on dance floors and at house parties over the Fourth of July weekend to celebrate the holiday -- and what seemed like a turning point in the pandemic. About three-fourths of the 469 infections were among vaccinated people.”
 
........ and all that proves exactly what was stated from the get go, vaccines keep people from becoming seriously ill, or 6ft under. No one in their right mind ever said that these vaccines were going to prevent 100% of the world's vaccinated population from catching the virus.
 
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........ and all that proves exactly what was stated from the get go, vaccines keep people from becoming seriously ill, or 6ft under. No one in their right mind ever said that these vaccines were going to keep 100% of the world's vaccinated population from catching the virus.
Hello; Perfect example.
 
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And which is precisely why folks that have a lick of common sense, will continue to social distance themselves from strangers, or those outside their inner circle of trust, and wear a freaking mask.
 
"Even so, they cautioned, as more people are vaccinated, it’s natural that they would also account for a larger share of Covid-19 infections and this one study was not sufficient to draw any conclusions."


No, really? lol


Still, the particular details of that cluster of cases may have made that outbreak especially bad, according to Gandhi.

“The rate of mild symptomatic outbreaks in this population was higher because of a lot of indoor activity (including intimacy), rain that weekend, not much outside time and mixture of people with different vaccination status,” she said in an email.

No kidding. What a shocker, better call a news station & report this. LOL


Same story, same drum, over & over & over again. lol
 
Jeff, just a quick question - are you disappointed with yourself for getting vaccinated? It seems like you have some post vaccination issues/confusion/anger?

Just wondering ......
 
BTW - vaccines, as most know are only as good as the persons immune system that is getting the vaccine. It is common knowledge that certain pre-existing conditions can determine the effectiveness of a vaccine. Not just serious conditions such diabetes, or cancer, but also many other conditions, including pretty much anything that causes excess inflammation in ones body. I would reckon, pretty much anything that falls under the umbrella of metabolic disorders, such as obesity, non diabetic insulin resistance (a condition that some feel over half of America suffers from), elevated blood pressure, high triglycerides, abnormal cholesterol levels, excess body fat around the waist , etc. Then add a pack a day habit to that, and/or several alcoholic beverages, and a ton of fast food, or other poor dietary choices, and what you have is a perfect storm of unhealthy people across the land, all praying in the hopes that a vaccine is going to be 100% effective, forever.

Time to wake up.
 
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I agree with much of what you said, but IMO the real issue is that the outcome of this virus is going to lay in the hands of the poor, countries that are currently at 1-3% of the population vaccinated. If this isn't resolved on a global basis, it will be circulating the globe, including where we all live, for our lifetimes. Your workplace condition is a prime example of how we all shouldn't be acting right now, hopefully with time things will improve. One can only hope. Good luck with that.




Covid has caused increased prices, decreased availability, reduced quality and speed of service, and generally has been used as an excuse for every downturn in business and negative thing that has happened in the last year and a half.

And spin doctors have worked the statistics and numbers...from both sides...to make them sound as if they are saying exactly what the entity paying the spin doctor wants you to believe they are saying.

Some percentage of the population just listens and nods and believes anything they hear; that "conditioned psychological resonse" mentioned earlier. But there is also the polar opposite of that group. These individuals are such free thinkers, so sharp and perceptive, that they just know that anything they hear is nonsense and therefore they will not believe it. They are conditioned to stamp their feet and shout "No!", often choosing a course of action simply because it is specifically what they are told not to do. And once they head down that road, they turn to the spin doctors who are selling their particular flavour of snake oil and then there's no stopping them.

In this thread we have seen studies quoted which state that masks are either ineffective, or actually counterproductive. Aside from the fact that these sources are vastly outnumbered by others who state the exact opposite...ignoring the universal belief among health care professionals that masks are effective, based upon results they have seen themselves...I have to simply ask: how can any sane person believe that a properly worn mask is worse than nothing? Finding a single study, or a small number of them, that state a "fact" that flies in the face of an overwhelming majority that state it is untrue...and even ignoring that rare superpower known as "common sense"...why would you believe that tiny minority and base your actions upon their outrageous ideas? Is this simply another case of "I'm just too smart to do anything other than swim against the current"?

The degree of tension in my workplace is constantly growing. The rift between the two beliefs regarding Covid is so wide that I can't see it ever closing; serious arguments are constant. A new development here is that fully vaccinated people, who have provided proof of this status, are awarded exemption from testing in the morning followed by a wait ...in isolation...of roughly 8 - 9 hours before they are allowed to board a plane to return to work. Since not one person flying has tested positive (the rare positives we have had arrived at the camp on their own, rather than flying on the company charter), exempt persons are now allowed to arrive at 1:00pm, get the test, and then immediately board the plane bound for camp. We are isolated together, away from the "general population" until test results become available later in the day, but we are in our rooms at camp, not sitting on a hard chair in a meeting room. Anti-vaxxers are furious! Why should they sit around for a full day while those lucky ones are whisked away immediately?

So, how about this, guys: Why don't you take the freaking shots, doing yourselves and others a favour, get on the plane with the rest of us and just shut up?

What?!?!? No way!!! You can't tell me what to do! I'm not taking those shots! I'm way too smart for that!" :duh: :wall:
 
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And on a local front, in my city of just over 100K, only 51.2% have received 2 vaccines, and 57.7% 1 vaccine. That came as a bit of a shocker to me, I expected a much higher x 2 rate. In the province here, daily case numbers are 10 times higher than this day in 2020, hospitalizations are 4 times higher, and ICU admissions are more than 3 times higher.


I guess even if the poor countries get their vax rates up, it won't matter much if half of North America (the wealthy countries) doesn't line up for a shot as well. I suspect that our only real hope now is that someday this pandemic becomes endemic. I personally don't see that anywhere in the near future.
 
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