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I had a big male pixie about the size of a med dinner plate. They are crazy when young but mellow out into fat lazy slobs. Big dubia roach colony is a must. Fed mice a few times a month. A guy offered me a big amount of money for him so I let him go.

Ive have pacmans sporadically, but I lose interest. I've supplied a lot of people around here with free full grown pacs. Ive had several female ornates that were roughly the size of a cereal bowl.

Now I'm into darts, but ive always wanted a whites tf
 

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Canada sucks for animals, we dont get much of a selection like america. Are smokey mountain frogs good pets? They look amazing.
I think care is similar to American bullfrogs but less aquatic ( land area should be moist) however if u want a real stunning frog go for a mahogany frog
 

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Some of things you mentioned feeding him worry me 1. Both tokays and snakes anywhere near that size can kill your frog (seen it happen and not just once or twice but dozens of times) and 2. These animals can easily transmit internal parasites to your frog (such as fatal tapeworms) not trying to hate.
Personally I like big American bullfrogs as they are aggressive feeders and will readily jump to get food from your hands
Feeding exclusively frozen/thawed CBB animals reduces (but doesn't eliminate) the chance of transmitting some pathogens/parasites. As much as I hate doing anything that even has a possibility of transferring pathogens, there is unfortunately always going to be a slight risk. Freezing also doesn't kill everything, and it's fairly safe to say no hobbyist has a completely bio-secure facility to essentially eliminate these risks.

As an aside, completely unrelated tangent that this post reminded me of, did you know some endoparasites are actually beneficial for frogs?

For example:
Pryor. G.S. & Bjorndal, K.A. "Effects of the nematode Gyrinicola batrachiensis on development, gut morphology, and fermentation in bullfrog tadpoles (Rana catesbeiana): a novel mutualism". J. Exp. Zool. 2005. 303A: 704-712

There also a paper about pinworms increasing dietary efficiency in herbivorous reptiles, but I'm having trouble finding it at this moment. I'll post it when I find it.

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Branch, W. R. (1976). "Two exceptional food records for the African bullfrog, Pyxicephalus adspersus (Amphibia, Anura, Pyxicephalidae)". Journal of Herpetology. 10 (3): 266–268. doi:10.2307/1562997. JSTOR 1562997. To be honest this frog must have been way exceptional considering that snake species is thick and fiesty and also is a frog/toad specialist. Thing about african bulls is their bite really hurts other frogs like the rena sepcies do not seem to have jaw power. They all have extreme high pain tolerence which is why they swallow things that bite them.
The referenced papers mentions they were 176-187mm (6.9-7.4in) and still "bear prominent umbilical scars", so they were newborns and far too small (and thin) to eat the frog. Based on the pic in the paper, the frog was about 150mm/5.9''.

As an aside for those who can't read the full paper, the second "exceptional food record" in the paper is a 151mm (~6'') frog eating a 170mm (6.7''), 115g young chicken.

Here's a couple other papers with references to diet for those curious:
link 1 - second page left hand side for food reference.
link 2 - you need to download the paper to read it


How much do frogs eat? I was interested in getting one, but I kinda don't want to pay the expense of buying tons of live feeders. Also, I've heard that pacman frogs have the reputation of being extremely, extremely, extremely boring.
Boring is being nice. Imagine having a pet potato that occassionally eats worms and newborn mice. Don't get me wrong, fascinating animals, but if you want something to watch or hold, go for a gecko or snake.

If you don't want to keep live feeders in stock (not needed, they are easily tong-fed), there are some gel formulas out there that you just add water to and let it solidify. The good ones are well designed and you can make as little or as much as you want.

Depends on the species,for a beginner frog how about u get some NORTHERN (not southern as they r skittish) leopard frogs in a 40 gal paladarium, I fed my adult every other day things like a mixed diet of crickets,baby 3/4 inch sunfish,fresh shed baby crawfish etc just keep the lid on lol
Just make sure you can keep them; some places don't like you keeping natives (even sp that are the opposite of endangered).

my macaw has the hardest bite of all my pets but i know my toucan can kill her so can a raven by using agility, a lot of animals can hurt us but their defenses fail miserably to others. I saw a tokay bite the crap out of a small bullfrog species but it still got eaten, ive seen moray eels lacerate snakes and had no effect. Snakes in captivity go threw a dormant stage they do in the wild also where they are very lethargic then things start to eat the snake alive. LIke a large rock python got eaten alive by vultures. Bullfrogs african are always on guard and ready for action. I have ball python and king snake as well.

I agree tho i dont wanna put something in there that can hurt my bull, i wont even feed live mice or rats not even pinky.Frog is too special to me. I breed roaches and crayfish for them. I dont feed my snakes live either. I have a bengal cat who is 25 percent leopard cat f4, who likes eating mice rats etc.. Is my only pet that i would not worry about feeding live to but i still dont like it and wont do it, i cant take the scream of another animal.
Couple things:
1. You have a toucan!? That is awesome. We need pics! I've been going back and forth between getting Ramphastids or small Bucerotids.
2. I agree, macaws bites are probably one of the worst for most non-mammalian "pets". I had one take a chunk out of my forearm. Worst I've ever gotten from herps is a bloody arm.
3. Not all snakes go through the dormant stage ;)
4. Marmorkrebs or one of the Florida species? I have P. alleni and they don't reproduce fast enough for my liking. It's regularly, but the numbers just aren't quite enough.

h i love smokey and glad frogs nevet seen in person
Never see glad frogs but smokies are availible at exotic pet stores from time to time
Canada sucks for animals, we dont get much of a selection like america. Are smokey mountain frogs good pets? They look amazing.
Define "good pets".
The Leptodactylus I took care of (at work) were similar in behaviour to Ceratophrys sp. during the day (they did nothing), but were far more active at night. They were however VERY LOUD! If you're in a densely populated part of the city, your neighbours 2 doors down will probably hear them when they go full throttle. They ate pretty much everything that was both big enough and worth eating; meaning they didn't really go after crickets if they weren't really hungry.
If you end up getting some though, give them a nice thick layer of leaf litter for them to hide in (think dendrobatid set-up but much bigger), and as with all frogs --especially WC which these will be--, get them tested for Chytrid and Ranavirus.

You'd be surprised what you can get in Canada if you know an importer. Canada is absurdly strict about some things (i.e. turtles/tortoises and insects), but they also allow things the US usually doesn't, like certain CITES I spp. It's also weirdly strict about buying medications for animals, with most needing a vet prescription (even fairly non-toxic ones sold off-the-shelf in the US), but that's a whole other conversation I don't feel like getting into right now. The main problem with Canada is that the reptile keeping population is ridiculously small and by-laws are getting worse and worse with barely anyone trying to fight them. I mean, there are some places that ban Eublepharis spp.!!!
 
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Feeding exclusively frozen/thawed CBB animals reduces (but doesn't eliminate) the chance of transmitting some pathogens/parasites. As much as I hate doing anything that even has a possibility of transferring pathogens, there is unfortunately always going to be a slight risk. Freezing also doesn't kill everything, and it's fairly safe to say no hobbyist has a completely bio-secure facility to essentially eliminate these risks.

As an aside, completely unrelated tangent that this post reminded me of, did you know some endoparasites are actually beneficial for frogs?

For example:
Pryor. G.S. & Bjorndal, K.A. "Effects of the nematode Gyrinicola batrachiensis on development, gut morphology, and fermentation in bullfrog tadpoles (Rana catesbeiana): a novel mutualism". J. Exp. Zool. 2005. 303A: 704-712

There also a paper about pinworms increasing dietary efficiency in herbivorous reptiles, but I'm having trouble finding it at this moment. I'll post it when I find it.



The referenced papers mentions they were 176-187mm (6.9-7.4in) and still "bear prominent umbilical scars", so they were newborns and far too small (and thin) to eat the frog. Based on the pic in the paper, the frog was about 150mm/5.9''.

As an aside for those who can't read the full paper, the second "exceptional food record" in the paper is a 151mm (~6'') frog eating a 170mm (6.7''), 115g young chicken.

Here's a couple other papers with references to diet for those curious:
link 1 - second page left hand side for food reference.
link 2 - you need to download the paper to read it




Boring is being nice. Imagine having a pet potato that occassionally eats worms and newborn mice. Don't get me wrong, fascinating animals, but if you want something to watch or hold, go for a gecko or snake.

If you don't want to keep live feeders in stock (not needed, they are easily tong-fed), there are some gel formulas out there that you just add water to and let it solidify. The good ones are well designed and you can make as little or as much as you want.



Just make sure you can keep them; some places don't like you keeping natives (even sp that are the opposite of endangered).



Couple things:
1. You have a toucan!? That is awesome. We need pics! I've been going back and forth between getting Ramphastids or small Bucerotids.
2. I agree, macaws bites are probably one of the worst for most non-mammalian "pets". I had one take a chunk out of my forearm. Worst I've ever gotten from herps is a bloody arm.
3. Not all snakes go through the dormant stage ;)
4. Marmorkrebs or one of the Florida species? I have P. alleni and they don't reproduce fast enough for my liking. It's regularly, but the numbers just aren't quite enough.







Define "good pets".
The Leptodactylus I took care of (at work) were similar in behaviour to Ceratophrys sp. during the day (they did nothing), but were far more active at night. They were however VERY LOUD! If you're in a densely populated part of the city, your neighbours 2 doors down will probably hear them when they go full throttle. They ate pretty much everything that was both big enough and worth eating; meaning they didn't really go after crickets if they weren't really hungry.
If you end up getting some though, give them a nice thick layer of leaf litter for them to hide in (think dendrobatid set-up but much bigger), and as with all frogs --especially WC which these will be--, get them tested for Chytrid and Ranavirus.

You'd be surprised what you can get in Canada if you know an importer. Canada is absurdly strict about some things (i.e. turtles/tortoises and insects), but they also allow things the US usually doesn't, like certain CITES I spp. It's also weirdly strict about buying medications for animals, with most needing a vet prescription (even fairly non-toxic ones sold off-the-shelf in the US), but that's a whole other conversation I don't feel like getting into right now. The main problem with Canada is that the reptile keeping population is ridiculously small and by-laws are getting worse and worse with barely anyone trying to fight them. I mean, there are some places that ban Eublepharis spp.!!!
Laws are getting ridiculous everywhere,this often happens towards the end of a world powers reign,many governments are actually very unstable right now and are unlikely to last much longer (the first major war or other catastrophic event could end their power)
 

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yeah i can show pics of my current toucan i sold a lot to zoos i have small one now toucanet emerald, the others are too big they need massive flight areas to be happy and cause hurt themselves so bad while flying, toucanets are much more easy, i have a video also i just made also have a kookaburra but right now i am with a person whos opening a zoo up so my kook is with them in a 30 foot area, i prefer corvids the most because they are much easier to train and are agile flyers, toucanets and toucans fly straight, i like to train birds to free fly and corvids are really good at that. I am not sure ohw to put a video on here from my phone? They dont make good pets like parrots tho to be honest. I clean cage daily because their crap is so nasty and make such a mess. Cage is 7 foot for winter and then goes outdoor in a huge area for summer but back door is unlocked so my guard dogs can open it and get outside at anytime in case there is a predator menancing etc... Toucans and kooks really cannot handle predator stress. Like they can kill rats quick but a real predator can have them not eating for days, so i have to be so careful, they all love the dogs tho, just my bengal cat is a bit of an issue why i have downsized so much the cats prey drive is too high.
 

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good frog pets i mean like my african bull super calm, fun to watch cute and not picky eaters lol doesnt spook or hit themselves side of tank. my whites tree frog like that also. Frogs who spook or too shy i prefer avoiding. Unless in my pond maybe. My african clawed frogs have been trying to eat me recently thinking my fingers are worms. Like my frogs pacmans and bull quickly realize that i am not a predator and just wait for me to feed them.
 
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