125g initial stock list

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Filtration is 2 XP3 for bioload + 1 AC110 for mechanical filt/waterpolish. Substrate will be PFS most likely, with large amounts of smooth river rock + driftwood pieces.

4 persei
6 sajica
5 carpintis

(all above as juvs - hope to get a good looking pair out of the sajica, and resale the other 4 later; keep the best looking out of the persei group and carpintis group and resale the remainder as well)


I'd thought about some Thori Passiones as well, maybe 4-5?

Would a shoal(6-7) of loaches (yoyo's or similar) make for a good group of dither fish? finish it off with a 2-3 plecos I think.

So long term end result would be :

1 Persei
2 Sajica
1 Carpintis
4 Thori Passiones
6 loaches
2-3 plecos
 
Filtration is 2 XP3 for bioload + 1 AC110 for mechanical filt/waterpolish. Substrate will be PFS most likely, with large amounts of smooth river rock + driftwood pieces.

4 persei
6 sajica
5 carpintis

(all above as juvs - hope to get a good looking pair out of the sajica, and resale the other 4 later; keep the best looking out of the persei group and carpintis group and resale the remainder as well)


I'd thought about some Thori Passiones as well, maybe 4-5?

Would a shoal(6-7) of loaches (yoyo's or similar) make for a good group of dither fish? finish it off with a 2-3 plecos I think.

So long term end result would be :

1 Persei
2 Sajica
1 Carpintis
4 Thori Passiones
6 loaches
2-3 plecos

Your end stock is fine. One issue is going to be growing out so many cichlids to a size that is good to choose the best ones without creating a massive bioload and/or crowding them into an aggressive, murderous mentality. If growing all of them out at once (I would recommend it so they are use to each other as adults and babies/juvies are cheaper and easier to find than adults with compatible personalities), you would need to rehome some Pearsei and carpintis at around 4". That will be a good size to choose the best looking carpintis, but might still be a bit small for the Pearsei. I would choose the carpintis you want at 3-4" and rehome all but the two best Pearsei at 4", then choose your favorite at 6-7". The sajica will let you know relatively quick who wants to stay and breed. :) Make sure to have lots of small hiding spots for the sajica and even a few medium sized for the pasionis.

I personally likes the angelicus loaches I had, but they can be a bit tricky to find while Yo-yos are much easier to come by. The issue you are going to have with bottom stock is the amount of bottom feeders you have. The loaches and plecos are scavengers and the pasionis are sand sifters, which is bottom feed overkill IMO.

I would only do 1 pleco personally unless you enjoy keeping them. A 125 is not going to grow a lot of algae, so it won't need more than 1 for algae control. And with your loaches and pasionis being the cleanup crew, there isn't going to be much food for the pleco.

Personally speaking, I would pass on the loaches as they are the odd ball species of the group and your pasionis will be an effective bottom cleaning crew with a little help and algae control from the pleco. Plus both loaches and plecos are most active at night, which is when you will need to feed them, and the loaches might outcompete the plecos for food, resultin in dead plecos. But the stock list you gave for end goal will still work with everything you listed. You will just need to make sure lots of food makes it's way to the bottom for everyone.


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Ok. Good points on the pasiones and the loaches; we'll likely rule out the loaches then. The majority of the plecos we would keep are vegetarian/driftwood eaters, so dropping in potato halves + cucumber pieces will ensure the plecos have a well rounded diet I would imagine, don't you think? The plecos we are looking at are mostly in the 5-6" max growth range.

I plan to introduce all fish at once with the new form of biospira, I believe it's called Tetra SafeStart+ now? I had wild success with that in the past and everyone I know who still uses it swears by it still.

Any suggestion for something in the way of top/surface fish such as giant danios(or any other similar suggestions) or would they be pointless?
 
Ok. Good points on the pasiones and the loaches; we'll likely rule out the loaches then. The majority of the plecos we would keep are vegetarian/driftwood eaters, so dropping in potato halves + cucumber pieces will ensure the plecos have a well rounded diet I would imagine, don't you think? The plecos we are looking at are mostly in the 5-6" max growth range.

I plan to introduce all fish at once with the new form of biospira, I believe it's called Tetra SafeStart+ now? I had wild success with that in the past and everyone I know who still uses it swears by it still.

Any suggestion for something in the way of top/surface fish such as giant danios(or any other similar suggestions) or would they be pointless?

You should be fine with the pasionis and 2-3 pleco as long as you are supplementing their diet like you plan.

Dithers would be okay, but none of the species you plan on keeping are shy IME, so they aren't necessary, but would add a nice amount of movement. Danios or silver dollars are the only two that would be big enough, though I am sure there are other options. 8-10 of either would be a great school.


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I think Pearsei will get a little large for a 125 & carpinitis are known for their aggression & killing tankmates out of the blue.

I think a better stock list for your 125 would be the sajica, thoricthys, loaches(I like cories better personally) and plecos. Throw in a school of tetras and I think you'll have a great looking set up!
 
I think Pearsei will get a little large for a 125 & carpinitis are known for their aggression & killing tankmates out of the blue.

I think a better stock list for your 125 would be the sajica, thoricthys, loaches(I like cories better personally) and plecos. Throw in a school of tetras and I think you'll have a great looking set up!

Pearsei can reach 16-18", but 14-15" is more common. So long as he doesn't end up with a monster, he should be okay.

As far as carpintis go, you have a point, but making sure there are lots of hiding spots where the pasionis and sajica can hide that the carpintis can't get to will go a long way. Or you can look into getting a female.


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