230 gallon vieja/paratheraps stocking ideas

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I'll be building a 230 gallon tank (84"x25"x25") in the near future and pondering over some stocking options. Thinking of doing a vieja/paratheraps community type tank.
Thinking of getting 1-2 of a few species of these genus in the tank. How many fish do you think I could get away with? Any suggestions for what combos i could do?
 
I would just say to be careful with Hybridization. Similiar looking ones will hybridize easily. The Bifas and Syn I had before would always breed together.

If you mix them up, you might be able to get away with it if you choose disimilar species.

I'm far from being an expert but I'd break it down to groups of similar species that would hybridize. Keep only 1 species per group to minimize. Others have mixed them all and had no problems but i didn't have the same experience.

Group 1:
- P. Melanura (Including former "Syn")
- P. Bifas
- P. Maculicada
- P. Fenestratus

Group 2:
- P. Argentea
- P. Regani

Group 3:
- P. Hartwegi
- P. Guttalatum
- P. Briedhori
- P. Zonatus
- P. Coatzcoalcos

In addition, you can mix in some of the Chuco's with them. C. Microphtalmus or Godmanni are available through Dan at COA or Gage at Cichlid Connection.
 
again, i'm no ichthyologist or the most experienced guy here...just my opinion.
 
Notho who is on here often has a lot of Paraneetroplus together in his tank. Maybe he can chime in.
 
Interesting. I like that idea, actually. Any idea how many I would be shooting for to minimize aggression/spread it to livable conditions.
 
You'll have to decide up front what type of situation you want to have. Aggression would be least in an "all male" tank, since territoriality and confrontation is mostly associated with male/female pair formation and spawning. If you are planning to stock with young fish, and you are wanting pairs to form, you'd be best to obtain 4 to 6 of say, five different species and grow them up together in the 230G. There will be little interaction between these young fish other than competition for food. Once they hit around 4", you will notice them becoming more colorful and interactive, as they are reaching sexual maturity. Pairs will bond and territories will be staked out and defended. Once this stage is reached, it will be important to provide several distinct and separate areas, using rock, driftwood and artificial plants, that pairs can occupy and defend, and pursued fish can take shelter in. Larger plastic plants are useful to provide sight-line breaks and define these areas as well. It is at this time that you can start removing some of the extras. Adult Paraneetroplus can reach pretty large sizes (~12" for males and a couple of inches less for females) so it won't take many to fill the tank. I would say 5 or 6 adult pairs would be optimal for your 230G. Also, I find it useful to have a handful of younger, smaller cichlids in there as targets. They manage to keep out of harms way since Paraneetroplus are highly vegetarian and not the greatest at either wanting to eat or catching smaller fish. In one of my 180G, I have bifasciatus (3), fenestratus 'Catemaco' (2), "Coatzacoalcos (2), hartwegi (5) and a large bocourti. In another 165G, I have breidohri (2 plus several younger ones), regani (4), argentea (3), bulleri (2) and A. robertsoni Jutiapa (6). There are 7 or 8 other smaller fish in there too. This tank is a bit overcrowded but they all get along, believe it or not. Paraneetroplus are low to medium in aggression and rarely does an individual get injured. I have found that maculicauda are one of the more aggressive species, and might have to be watched a little more closely than the others, and breidohri are one of the most active, always on the move, challenging tank mates. Well that's just a few thoughts on the matter. I wouldn't worry too much about hybridization. It can certainly occur but I find that a healthy male and female of the same species will tend to pair rather than a mixed species
pair up. Having said that, I do have a male hartwegi that has spawned many times with a 'Coatzacoalcos female. I could explain at length why I think that happened but it would take too much time to tell it. It's a long story. And it isn't the norm. Good luck with your project. If I can be of any further assistance, please get in touch.
 
+1 as always, Jim provided good recommendation.

I also found Vieja species very peaceful relative to their size. My approach is different from Jim. Jim likes to keep pairs and allow them to breed in a community. Only Veija breeding pairs can tolerate one another in a community, provided that you give them a big enough tank. There is no way you can do the same with more aggressive CAs like Midas, Jaguar, Festae or Texas. I don't have a huge tank so my approach is to keep male only Vieja species tank to avoid pairing aggression. In my 125 gal, I have one 11" blue Fenestratus, one 8" pink fenestratus, one 9" synspillum, one 8" bifas, one 8" Green Terror and a half dozen smaller African haps. In my 75 gal, I keep a single 9" melanuras, a pair of 6 to 8" Green Terror, a trio of breeding 4" Cryptoheros panamesis, and a few smaller African Haps. The African haps were intended to be target fish, but often the bigger Vieja speices became the targets the other way around. The mix is in peace and harmony, except during feeding time when the bigger guys juggle for best eating position by pushing off the smaller guys. This approach requires picking out male only fish, but it isn't easy as I started them small. So I ended up having to remove a couple unintended Vieja females that paired to restore peace.
 
Go with all males. Vieja aggression is overhyped IMO.

What is your plan for water changes? That will determine how many you can stock. Adult vieja are large messy fish, you should plan on 2x 50% weekly water changes as a minimum.


Try to stay away from black belts & zonatus. Overall opinion is they are the two most aggressive vieja.
 
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