400+ gallon plumbing questions

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Hey guys... I have no experience with sumps or plumbing, but I understand the basics. I'm close to buying a 400+ gallon tank and need some help....

It has one central infernal overflow with pretty deep teeth on all 3 sides. I assume it can handle whatever gph I can throw at it. There is only ONE 2" drain at the bottom of the overflow box. This concerns me in case it were to ever clog. He's had it running for over 2 years as is, without issue. There are TWO 1.5" returns that go up through the bottom of the overflow box, and exit to the left and right sides of the overflow box about 2/3 of the way up. He has this set up in his garage and it's noisier than hell, because he doesn't care, because it's in the garage.... He's using a large sump pump as the return pump to boot. I plan on replacing it with one Laguna Max Flo 4280 instead for energy efficiency and noise reduction. I'll be sleeping about 15 feet from this tank so I'd like it to be as quiet as possible. Let me know what you think of this plan:

I would use the 2" drain as a full siphon because it's the least likely to become clogged. This will pull 2000-2500gph or so, given my research (correct me if I'm wrong please). The 4280 pump will do about 3000gph unthrottled at my given head height, I think. I would then use one of the 1.5" drains to handle some excess water silently, and tune my pump accordingly with a valve. Then use the other 1.5" drain as a dry emergency only drain. More or less a beananimal system drilled through the bottom.

Am I over thinking this? I'd like to keep it on the cheaper side if possible but I really can't afford to have any water damage. I'd like some of you more experienced guys to chime in! Thanks!
 
Nothing wrong with your idea I can see. It might just be your drawing but I would minimize the distance the water falls from the overflow teeth to the working level inside your overflow by raising up those drain pipes. That will further reduce the noise the system makes. I would add some sort of strainer to the drains too so that if fish make it into the overflow they dont get sucked into the sump. Something like this...

dsp-125-standpipe.jpg

PS - I have this exact durso standpipe and it has never clogged on me. With that kind of surface area on the strainer I think chances are pretty slim it would ever.

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I was just exaggerating the distance for the sake of understanding the drawings. I agree that putting the water level up higher will stop the "waterfall effect" noise immensely. That strainer is a good idea. I was just going to use an open standpipe for the full siphon. I suppose I could still do that, but use a huge strainer as well. Good idea :)
 
Looks good.

The only thing I would do differently is get two Laguna Max Flo 2400's instead of one 4280. At 6' of head you will get 1664GPH from each 2400 (total of 3,328GPH) on only 168 total watts (they each use 84 watts). The benefit of running two pumps is that if one fails the other will keep your system running. I would plumb them so that each pump returns water to one side of the tank for balanced circulation.

Looking forward to seeing your progress on this build! :thumbsup:
 
Looks good.

The only thing I would do differently is get two Laguna Max Flo 2400's instead of one 4280. At 6' of head you will get 1664GPH from each 2400 (total of 3,328GPH) on only 168 total watts (they each use 84 watts). The benefit of running two pumps is that if one fails the other will keep your system running. I would plumb them so that each pump returns water to one side of the tank for balanced circulation.

Looking forward to seeing your progress on this build! :thumbsup:

I'd recommend this with the 2 pumps. But if you want quiet look into doing a bean animal overflow if you can retrofit it. You can't get anymore quiet and reliable then a bean animal overflow.

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Looks good.

The only thing I would do differently is get two Laguna Max Flo 2400's instead of one 4280. At 6' of head you will get 1664GPH from each 2400 (total of 3,328GPH) on only 168 total watts (they each use 84 watts). The benefit of running two pumps is that if one fails the other will keep your system running. I would plumb them so that each pump returns water to one side of the tank for balanced circulation.

Looking forward to seeing your progress on this build! :thumbsup:

Thanks for the advice. While I do agree with you, the cost of doing so is my issue. It really pisses me off that I can find the 4280 for $175 in the USA and it's $343.99 in Canada. It's $263.99 for the 2400 model. If I could get two for the price you guys can, I would in a heartbeat.
 
I'd recommend this with the 2 pumps. But if you want quiet look into doing a bean animal overflow if you can retrofit it. You can't get anymore quiet and reliable then a bean animal overflow.

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The tank is already built and holes drilled in the bottom, unfortunately. What I described is virtually a vertical beananimal setup.
 
You do realise the lower drain pipe will take all the flow?

Is this what you intended? the lower pipe is the 2" and the higher one is the 1.5" as back up?

It looks perfectly fine if so - i have my tank set up in a similar manner
 
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