55 Gallon Stocking question

[BallPython]

Hi there. Im setting up a new tank in the next couple of weeks and just a question on stocking. I want to have an angel community tank but not sure how many full grown angels can be in a 55 and not 100% sure the other fish they do well with. I have a 90 gallon african cichlid tank up and running. Any tips or information would be greatly appreciated

 

[lp85253]

Hi there. Im setting up a new tank in the next couple of weeks and just a question on stocking. I want to have an angel community tank but not sure how many full grown angels can be in a 55 and not 100% sure the other fish they do well with. I have a 90 gallon african cichlid tank up and running. Any tips or information would be greatly appreciated

4 should be a good # in a 55 .... you can put several non -agg. dithers in as well (not too small.... angels love eating little guys)

 

[CrazyLegz]

I would do at least 6...Angels like to be in groups...maybe even add some dwarf cichlids and a bristlenose pleco...

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[xtremegamer1000]

Yes, I would say 5-6 angels in a 55 gallon, I actually have a community 55 gallon with 4 angels now, two of them being a breeding pair, and then I have 14 tetra, of those 14 7 bloodfin and 7 rummynose, with a couple of cory catfish and an albino bristlenose pleco.

 

[alexanian]

If alone I'd put 6, but if with tankmates i'd make it 5. For tankmates chose smaller dither fish, not too active, not too small, not too boisterous and certainly not nippy (barbs for example like to nip fins so avoid them) All mentioned above r good tankmates, I'll also mention apistogramma species of dwarf cichlids, festivums or chinese/siamese algae eater.

 

[Mythic Figment]

If you don't want dithers, no more than 6. If you want dithers, get at least 6 of a small, but deep bodied tetra and keep 4 angels. I don't recommend any less than 4 as angels do develop a pecking order and too few will result in them slowly picking each other off. This might also still occur with 4, but it is less likely.

I currently have 23 baby angels (dime sized) growing in a 55 of their own. I will slowly start to sell them off as they grow out until I have 6 of the best looking left. They will be housed with 8 sterbai cories as soon as I can locate some. I am not going to do any dithers as the primary role of dithers is to put the other fish at easy and reduce aggression. My angels are far from shy. They already greet me as I enter the room and have displayed no conspecific aggression thus far. And while aggression may still occur as they grow, having 6 of them will help to spread it around pretty evenly. So having dithers will depend on your specific fish. If they are shy, just keep 4 and have a school of 6+ dithers. If not, give 5-6 a try without dithers. You can always rehome a couple to add dithers if you feel aggression is too high.


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[Mythic Figment]

If alone I'd put 6, but if with tankmates i'd make it 5. For tankmates chose smaller dither fish, not too active, not too small, not too boisterous and certainly not nippy (barbs for example like to nip fins so avoid them) All mentioned above r good tankmates, I'll also mention apistogramma species of dwarf cichlids, festivums or chinese/siamese algae eater.

Good tankmate advice. I would only give two words of warning. The first is regarding festivum. Many have kept them with angels quite successfully, but some male festivum can reach 8" and get pretty moody at 6+". So some caution is needed there. The second is in regards to a Chinese algae eater. The Siamese variety are good (have one myself), but the Chinese ones are terrible algae eaters even at small sizes. And they are notorious for going after the slime coat of large fish, especially when they get bigger. So I would avoid the Chinese variety altogether.


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[Darth]

Hi,
I am new to monsterfishkeepers...and just getting started with the aquarium hobby and see it becoming a life long passion. I would like some advice on how to ADD fish to a community.

I adopted a friends aquarium (70 gallons) a couple of months ago. My favorite fish are the Red Tailed tin Foils (barbonymus altus). Have two of them and they are about 7 inches long. I am told that they don't grow more than 8 inches. The aquarium has plenty of room to add more fish...and I want to increase the number of tin-foil to a school of about 5.

My questions are as follows: My local aquarium only has young tin foil barbs (just less than 2 inches long).

Can I introduce them to the aquarium OR do I need to find the same size ones first?

If I can introduce the smaller ones to the aquarium, what strategies should I use to get them to all get along?

Thanks in advance for the advice and look forward to becoming a participant in this forum.

Cheers
Darth

FYI...In addition to the Tin Foils, I have 4 blood parrots that I would like to sell / trade out over the next few months...and nothing else at this stage in the aquarium

 

[Mythic Figment]

Hi,
I am new to monsterfishkeepers...and just getting started with the aquarium hobby and see it becoming a life long passion. I would like some advice on how to ADD fish to a community.

I adopted a friends aquarium (70 gallons) a couple of months ago. My favorite fish are the Red Tailed tin Foils (barbonymus altus). Have two of them and they are about 7 inches long. I am told that they don't grow more than 8 inches. The aquarium has plenty of room to add more fish...and I want to increase the number of tin-foil to a school of about 5.

My questions are as follows: My local aquarium only has young tin foil barbs (just less than 2 inches long).

Can I introduce them to the aquarium OR do I need to find the same size ones first?

If I can introduce the smaller ones to the aquarium, what strategies should I use to get them to all get along?

Thanks in advance for the advice and look forward to becoming a participant in this forum.

Cheers
Darth

FYI...In addition to the Tin Foils, I have 4 blood parrots that I would like to sell / trade out over the next few months...and nothing else at this stage in the aquarium

Well first off, welcome!

What are the dimensions of that 70? Standard 70s are harder to come by (at least where I live), so some are hand made and have unusual dimensions.

Tin foils I have seen can reach up to 10" in optimal conditions, but many do max out right around 8".

As far as introducing a group of 2" tins to a pair of established 7" tins.....I personally would pass on trying. Tin foils do have a social structure, which is formed through the strongest beating everyone else up and as they say, "@$!& rolls downhill". Adding new fish to a tank quite often results in a change (either temporary or permanent) of dominance in social/schooling fish. They will start to battle it out to see who is top dog all over again until the social structure is re-established. This would likely result in the deaths of most or all of the small tins introduced to the tank. There may be some things you can try, like heavily planting the tank to create hiding spots for the small tins, but you will still likely encounter a few deaths before things settle down.

What I would do (if you aren't too terribly attached to those tins) is trade both tins and all the parrots into your LFS for credit towards the purchase of a groups of new red tins. Now without the length and height dimensions of the tank, I would say it can likely hold 6 full grown tins with room for a bottom cleaning crew (I suggest a pleco and a school of 8-10 cories, but a few 3-8" catfish or loaches could work as well). Now you don't have to start with just 6. You could start with 12 or more of those 2" tins and grow them out. That way you can choose to keep the best looking ones when it comes time to rehome the rest (around 5").

Now take this with a grain of salt. Everyone's experiences are different when it comes to keeping fish. Some people will likely suggest you can introduce small tins to the ones you have and they may have done the same thing with great success. In fish keeping, the same scenarios can work out differently for people.


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[Darth]

Thank you so much for your informative reply. I appreciate the knowledge you shared about the nature of the tin-foil. Trading in the two tin foils (and parrots) for a new school of tin foil makes a lot of sense...and actually will likely be more fun to see them all grow up together. Your idea of buying a larger number in order to pick and choose the best looking ones is also excellent.

I had an eye toward a small school of clown loaches as well as a pleco...and am glad that you suggested them.

Thanks again for your suggestions.

Cheers from India!!!!



QUOTE=Mythic Figment;6371122]Well first off, welcome!

What are the dimensions of that 70? Standard 70s are harder to come by (at least where I live), so some are hand made and have unusual dimensions.

Tin foils I have seen can reach up to 10" in optimal conditions, but many do max out right around 8".

As far as introducing a group of 2" tins to a pair of established 7" tins.....I personally would pass on trying. Tin foils do have a social structure, which is formed through the strongest beating everyone else up and as they say, "@$!& rolls downhill". Adding new fish to a tank quite often results in a change (either temporary or permanent) of dominance in social/schooling fish. They will start to battle it out to see who is top dog all over again until the social structure is re-established. This would likely result in the deaths of most or all of the small tins introduced to the tank. There may be some things you can try, like heavily planting the tank to create hiding spots for the small tins, but you will still likely encounter a few deaths before things settle down.

What I would do (if you aren't too terribly attached to those tins) is trade both tins and all the parrots into your LFS for credit towards the purchase of a groups of new red tins. Now without the length and height dimensions of the tank, I would say it can likely hold 6 full grown tins with room for a bottom cleaning crew (I suggest a pleco and a school of 8-10 cories, but a few 3-8" catfish or loaches could work as well). Now you don't have to start with just 6. You could start with 12 or more of those 2" tins and grow them out. That way you can choose to keep the best looking ones when it comes time to rehome the rest (around 5").

Now take this with a grain of salt. Everyone's experiences are different when it comes to keeping fish. Some people will likely suggest you can introduce small tins to the ones you have and they may have done the same thing with great success. In fish keeping, the same scenarios can work out differently for people.


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