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I have a 30' by 15' by 4' deep outdoor above ground pool converted into a small pond. Blue vinyl liner Estimated 7,000 gallons. Not a round pool. like an elongated rectangle with rounded corners on each end....(==) <---like that. Has a wooden deck platform perfect for standing there and observing the fish.
After a complete water change and new filter install, I bought about 150 feeders and let em go in the pool...er...pond in early September. Best part...they lived...thrived. After a month went by and no dead goldfish (would throw flake food in for them) I began collecting some sunfish and whatever else I could catch with a cast net. They are dissapearing however because there is a couple predatory fish in there. Now there is goldfish...shiners...mozambique tilapias and other exotics from the local waters. No structure in it yet. Just fish and using the large canister type pool filter to filter it (I know I need to change that...thats the reason for this post). I also do water changes in it periodically. Strange thing is the new life in the pool keeps the water clear even though there is algea growing. You can at least see the bottom now, whereas before the pool bottom was hardly ever visible. The algea are sustaining the fish and the other way around seems like. No fish have been found belly up since I converted it, but I am sure it is not a healthy system for them because it is not filtered properly. But it has potential. I never knew others have done the same until now.

Anyone have a suggestion for a system I can use with an above ground set up? I want to begin doing this right but I don't have much money to spend on it so it can't be state of the art but has to be effective. Also, winter is not much a concern here for freezing but would like to keep it from going below 50. But summer is a definite concern so what would be the best way to PLAN NOW on keeping the water cool in the Summer months. Should I cover it to keep the sun out by then?

THANKS FOR ANY INFO YOU CAN PROVIDE SPECIFIC TO MY APPLICATION. Help me get my pond up a running before spring!
 
I don't know much about ponds, but my first thought would be to setup a constant inflow of water with some kinda overflow system. This would let you use an underpowered filter and you wouldn't ever have to do a water change again. If the water is cold then it could also help to cool the pond.

For filtration you could get a big barrel(s) filled with bio balls (or any other suitable media) and make a trickle tower running from a pump in the pond that drains back into it.

If you wanna get fancy, you should probably first get a UV system to take care of green algae and other little nasties in the water. There are many other things that could go in this paragraph, but I'll leave that up to the pond experts.

I wouldn't definately cover it with shade cloth and maybe also get some water lillies going..

Just my 2c.. hope it helps! :D
 
tankyou;650600; said:
I have a 30' by 15' by 4' deep outdoor above ground pool converted into a small pond. Blue vinyl liner Estimated 7,000 gallons. Not a round pool. like an elongated rectangle with rounded corners on each end....(==) <---like that. Has a wooden deck platform perfect for standing there and observing the fish.
After a complete water change and new filter install, I bought about 150 feeders and let em go in the pool...er...pond in early September. Best part...they lived...thrived. After a month went by and no dead goldfish (would throw flake food in for them) I began collecting some sunfish and whatever else I could catch with a cast net. They are dissapearing however because there is a couple predatory fish in there. Now there is goldfish...shiners...mozambique tilapias and other exotics from the local waters. No structure in it yet. Just fish and using the large canister type pool filter to filter it (I know I need to change that...thats the reason for this post). I also do water changes in it periodically. Strange thing is the new life in the pool keeps the water clear even though there is algea growing. You can at least see the bottom now, whereas before the pool bottom was hardly ever visible. The algea are sustaining the fish and the other way around seems like. No fish have been found belly up since I converted it, but I am sure it is not a healthy system for them because it is not filtered properly. But it has potential. I never knew others have done the same until now.

Anyone have a suggestion for a system I can use with an above ground set up? I want to begin doing this right but I don't have much money to spend on it so it can't be state of the art but has to be effective. Also, winter is not much a concern here for freezing but would like to keep it from going below 50. But summer is a definite concern so what would be the best way to PLAN NOW on keeping the water cool in the Summer months. Should I cover it to keep the sun out by then?

THANKS FOR ANY INFO YOU CAN PROVIDE SPECIFIC TO MY APPLICATION. Help me get my pond up a running before spring!


Congrats on the good work so far...:thumbsup:

As is, it sounds like you may have a balanced pond, gravity is doing all your filtering right now and since you know that has to change, your headed in the right direction!

Ok now, I like cheap, so before we go too far, do you have a wife who doesn't like ugly (I mean functional)?

If you build it on the ground you can syphon out and pump back in to the pond.

If you build it higher than the pond, you can control things a little bit closer, pump from the pond at any level (top / middle / bottom...I prefer all 3) & gravity feed back thru a waller fall for added aeration.

You can make a very large (6ft-8ft) W/D (this could be pretty) with a planted refugium (cattails) that should keep it crystal clear or use 3-4 plastic barrels and different filter media (bigger pump).

Oh, by the way mines 30x15 20k gal, I loose fish for weeks at a time (but I seem to always find them) and occasionally fine new ones too.

Going out early tomorrow morning to invite some more occupants home (if I can persuade (catch) them) :D .

Keep us posted, got any pix?

Dr Joe

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pics are always great... you have any pics DJ???
 
Dr Joe;651596; said:
Congrats on the good work so far...:thumbsup:

As is, it sounds like you may have a balanced pond, gravity is doing all your filtering right now and since you know that has to change, your headed in the right direction!

Ok now, I like cheap, so before we go too far, do you have a wife who doesn't like ugly (I mean functional)?

If you build it on the ground you can syphon out and pump back in to the pond.

If you build it higher than the pond, you can control things a little bit closer, pump from the pond at any level (top / middle / bottom...I prefer all 3) & gravity feed back thru a waller fall for added aeration.

You can make a very large (6ft-8ft) W/D (this could be pretty) with a planted refugium (cattails) that should keep it crystal clear or use 3-4 plastic barrels and different filter media (bigger pump).

Oh, by the way mines 30x15 20k gal, I loose fish for weeks at a time (but I seem to always find them) and occasionally fine new ones too.

Going out early tomorrow morning to invite some more occupants home (if I can persuade (catch) them) :D .

Keep us posted, got any pix?

Dr Joe

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Yeah here is some I took today. Per your request..here it is. It aint' purdy as you can see, and the full shot I was going to get never occured because my damn camera battery died. Anyways..I like your suggestion. My wife is not real particular...she feeds the fish that are in it now with me sometimes. I suggested bigger fish for the pond and she said oh that would be nice....:naughty: so I have a green light.
The fish in there aren't monsters so hard to see. But can you see how clear that water is with no constant pump system in place (minus the algea on the bottom:D . I keep it full. In the 3rd pic you can sort of see what I was trying to take a pic of... a large tilapia cruising at the bottom. There are even small shad in there and they cruise around in little schools. They just don't know what awaits them someday sooon Been feeding them bread, hotdogs, fish flake and canned yellow corn. My boy likes to throw stuff in the water so thats whats in the pool.

The far end away from the house will have the pump falls...and your suggestion clicked a bell in my head Dr. Joe. That's exactly how I want to do it now. Thanks dude. :)

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Dr Joe;651596; said:
Congrats on the good work so far...:thumbsup:


If you build it higher than the pond, you can control things a little bit closer, pump from the pond at any level (top / middle / bottom...I prefer all 3) & gravity feed back thru a waller fall for added aeration.


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That is also how I built my pond filter.

I built mine out of a garbage bin.
 
Wow...that's a big project. Glad to see it's working. Godd job!
 
New Monster in my pool...Can you guess what it is?

Here is some updated pictures taken today it is beautiful weather out. These fish have so far survived all winter (Texas winter lol). As you can see, I built a temporary "waterfall ghetto ass filter" until I can contruct a real filter it will do. I still like the idea of pumping into a wake shift waterfall, but this pond is really temporary until I get one dug out soon.
I put my koi back in there he is loving it and the goldfish are getting larger. Like I said it is a work in progress and the water stays really clear as it has had time to support an ecosystem with algea and fish.

Sorry no full shot...camera died will charge and repost soon.
Caught these lil' fellas last October in the SA river...still doing great and very fast swimmers.

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