they're both about four inches long. i have them both in a 75g tank for the time being. once they get a little bigger i'm going to look into getting the jag a 125g. possible breeding project? they color change soo much it's crazy. the jag will go from almost completely black with tiny tints of brownish gold to just about completely gold with iridescent blue/green fins and everywhere in between. the dempsey will go from a gorgeous pearl color with almost completely blue fins to black with tons of blue speckles. thanks everyone!!