ABK electricity producing noise through speaker?

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Specialk314

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hey all,
Today in my ichthyology lab, my professor tried to perform this experiment for this class but unfortunately it did not work. has anyone ever tried placing copper wires connected to a speaker in a tank with an african brown knife to hear the electrical production from the fish? and if so, any ideas on how to better perform this experiment?
Thanks in advance!
 
Stress the fish, they produce electric waves when mad
 
hmm.. ok, great, i'll pass the information onto my professor. the ABKs are about 3-4". i'll be getting a 3-5" BGk tomorrow, any idea if the BGK are more likely/make a louder electric noise?
thanks again guys, always helpful
 
You'll probably get more of a reaction from the BGK. Feeding will definitely trigger any electrical impulses. Feeder fish will not work that well with ABK as they are not that predatory. Bloodworms would work better, but the electrical pulses from an ABK is really weak compared to a BGK.
 
copper isnt a very powerful conductor, and is poisionous to fish, particularly scaleless fish, I wouldnt use it. It would be important to use a metal that is not soluble in water, so it does not affect the conductivity or chemistry at all. I believe that electrogenic fish create an electrical (and thus magnetic) field around themselves, that would move the electrons in waves which are both sent and recieved by the organ, with varying intensity and frequency being stereotyped in ways used for communication, gender identification, and location purposes. Thats a really vague way to say it, but it leads to the conclusion that you would not nessecarially have just spikes in voltage between the wires in the tank that would inherently make noise (i dont know how much voltage it takes to make a speaker pop, but that would depend on the size/kind of speaker), but instead you might just have a fluctuation in the conductivity sent as electrical waves through space. You could find out the nature of the signal with a miliammeter, if you put the electrodes in the tank, to find out if it is a quick voltage spike, or if it is a fluctuation, you might be able to see it on an oscilloscope if you had electrodes in the water. But I'm not confident that the nature of the electric field produced by a knifefish would inherently make a sound on a speaker, you might get pops if its a quick spike in voltage, but I wouldnt know how that translates. I saw a video on youtube of somebody doing this with an elephantnose, but i think they were also doing it with a piezo buzzer or something similar, just a small transducer that might pop and crackle a little bit when the volts went up and stuff. Because thats what it did.
 
Sorry to bump, but I remember a similar experiment with a mormyrid and I was able to hear the sounds as well. They had temporarily put it in a 1 gallon critter keeper tank I believe for the experiment and they ran speaker wires into the computer's mic and then used a program to get the best sounding effect.

Very vague, but maybe this could trigger somebody's memory a little better.
 
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