Acrylic Tank Design Question

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For an acrylic tank, do I need to use the same thickness top as the sides and bottom? The sides and bottoms will be 1.5" thick. I have some left over 1.25" that Id like to use for the top rather than have to special order another sheet. Dimensions are 120 X 36 X 36" and I plan on cutting two 40 X 12" access holes in the top (this small to maintain structural rigidity) for the thinner size.

Would like to hear any comments regarding this design. Thanks
 
Should be fine....Personally i'd put the 1.25 on the bottom if its a full sheet and use the 1.5 for the top but then again theres not much difference between the two so which ever you choose will work. There will be alot more stress on the top sheet rather than the bottom. I have a 450gal. with 1/2" bottom and 1.25" top. Your bottom sheet is supported by the stand so you can get away with the thinner material there. What kind of glue do you plan on using? i'd recommend weld on #40
 
Thanks! WWM recommended the 1.5 on bottom for some reason? Glad to hear otherwise. I plan using solvent cement (MC Bond to be exact). Initially was looking at # 42 with the applicator gun but decided against it because 40/42 dosent bond/weld the 2 sections together the same as a solvent does and since I have to assemble it on site I cant anneal it as required with 40/42 either.

Im really on the fence with this? Solvent or polymerizable cement? It's the whole annealing thing thats got me concerned.

Also edge prep, I plan on preparing the edges on a CNC router. What do you think?

Thanks again.
 
I think you may run into trouble trying to shoot solvent on a 1.5" joint. I like solvent for .25" acrylic but past that i prefer the #40. I dont think you need to aneel it either? I would build the front/back/sides first. Then the bottom...then the top last. More leeway to tweak each sheet a bit as opposed to clamping the entire tank together for a solvent weld.

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As for preparing the sheets ive seen people sand the edges a bit but the saw cut has always been fine for me. I built 16 tanks for a retail store and a few small ones for myself so i have experience and all my tanks are still holding water. Ive never heard of aneeling with #40 or #42 either? Def. Like to know what it does if you dont mind sharing :) . Also even if u go with a solvent weld i would still tip the tank and glue each inside seam with 40. Really beefs up joint and looks pretty good. It should look like silicone but crystal clear.

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Heard you mention a cnc...if thats what your using to cut the pieces that should b all the prep you need. What kinda cnc do you have? I have a rebuilt xyz model from canada :) tanks go together like butter lol i couldnt believe how precise it is compared to my tablesaw.

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For an acrylic tank, do I need to use the same thickness top as the sides and bottom? The sides and bottoms will be 1.5" thick. I have some left over 1.25" that Id like to use for the top rather than have to special order another sheet. Dimensions are 120 X 36 X 36" and I plan on cutting two 40 X 12" access holes in the top (this small to maintain structural rigidity) for the thinner size.

Would like to hear any comments regarding this design. Thanks

Looking over some of my acrylic tanks I noticed the bottom piece of my tanks is thinner than the sides and top. My 4 foot deep 360 has only 1/2" on the bottom, the top and sides are all 1" thick.
 
Thanks Egon. Was thinking the same thing and will probably do it like yours.

Annealing relieves the internal stress of the material by heating it and allowing it to slowly cool, this is supposed to relieve stresses and pressures imposed during the machining process. Very similar to heat treatment used on steel or aluminum after machining. From what I understand if the material is under tension after bonding this stess has to go somewhere and will normally manifest as very small micro cracks otherwise known as crazing in acrylic. Annealing just allows the material to rebound to a normal state before it gets glued up. Have seen a lot of crazing in aircraft canopies and windscreens.

Here's the dilema.

I really like your idea of solvent cementing and then #42 along the edge. Maybe best of both here, it gets complicated though if using an outside beveled edge (which is what I was thinking if using 2 part) as there is not as much surface contact area for the solvent to work with just that little edge. Thats what Im concerned about if using both solvent and 2 part.

I like solvent because it welds the acrylic together, but with panels this thick and heavy preparing the edges perfectly smooth for solvent may be hard.

So was looking at the #40/42 option until I read that it had to be annealed. There is just no way for me to do this, so how safe would using #40/42 be without annealing since there is no molecular bond as in a weld? #40 also requires a vacuum chamber to suck out all of the bubbles in suspension after mixing. But I doubt if most do this, probably just mix and pour it. #42 is a good choice except it requires a really high dollar applicator gun to apply to ensure the correct mixture but still cheaper then the whole vacuum process. Was thinking of a slight outside edge bevel, building a dam around it with tape and pouring #40 or #42 in. See diagram.
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#40/42 is attractive because it may be more forgiving of slight edge imperfections if the CNC dosent produce a perfect edge.
Have heard that CNCs are good at producing uniform sizes but not as good at edge prep. I suppose this would be entirely based on operator skill and knowledge.

The CNC prep work is getting done by a local shop. Hard to find anyone with a 10 ft table with suction hold down.

So I guess the real question is:

Should I use #40/42 without annealing using beveled edges and then route flush or... solvent cement only with flat edges using wire/pins method or... keep edges flat (no bevel), solvent cement and then use #40/42 along outside edge as fillet to prevent pushing out and then keep the bottom piece slightly wider to ensure the fillet has something to hold on to.

You guys are a big help and I hope this makes sense, thanks.

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I dont think the 42 is worth it for how much you need...id go with the 40 its very easy to work with and the more the better. You can also use a reg. syringe with 40 so no need for special applicators. I just pour it right out of the mixing cup no prob. You can use the pin method with the 40 also so theres no need for the bevel. To achieve the inside seams you do one at a time and tilt the tank at 45 degree angles so it piles up on the seams creating a triangle. Ill post a pic of the process i just did a tank liks this a few months ago. As for aneeling...you could prob just flame polish the seams to achieve a similar effect. Solvent joins are very susseptiable to "crazing" aswell and will give you a weaker joint with many bubbles and dry spots if your not 100 percent perfect. Ive built 20 tanks and still cant throw down perfect seams every single time with solvent. With 40 it eliminates errors in the seam. May b a bit messy when extra glue is squeezed out but i assure you your first seam will look factory made with 40. If your set on solvent id still throw in some fatty reinforcement with 40. Pics to come hope they help
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