Thanks guys, the reason I posted here is because I wanted to hear from some people that had CA/SA cichlids in general and weren't biased towards their particular pikes. My little sveni was a terror if he wasn't fed every few hours, he was only about 3" when I put him in my 40 breeder with 2 full grown silver dollars, next thing I knew one was missing a pectoral fin. I had to move him out of my 55 grow-out because he was picking fights with my 7" managuense female. BTW duanes, those are beautiful.