Annoyingly finicky shovelnose

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IMG_0141.JPGIMG_0136.JPG IMG_0142.JPG just picked up this "Lima" shovelnose last Wednesday. Hasn't eaten at all until today he's eaten 3 bloodworms.. not much but it's a start. Had to push all the other fish to one side of the tank with my net and drop the worms literally on his face but hey. Whatever works right?

Tried tubifex worms, carnivore pellets broken in half, jumbo krill broken in half and moistened, and fish fillets. Getting some jumbo red wrigglers tomorrow from the tackle shop. Insane the lengths we go for our fish.. the other "Lima" that was with him at the lfs is eating really well... belly nice and round. Pisses me off a little bit but high hopes for this little fella. Any tips are welcome here.
 
If it is the same after it should have settled, something's off, something must be stressing it out. The tank looks nice. Hope the water is too.

Dimmer lighting and more of the vertical plants and deco would help calm down. Shoving all tank mates away with a net would probably stress out this fish too because it's happening very close by and because fish release alarm hormone in the water that alarms everyone else in the vicinity.

Fish, cut or whole, would work. More of its kin could help too. Areas of calm water too, they don't dig strong flow.
 
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Just a little update. Shovelnose is doing great. Eating great. NLS pellets, hikari carnivore sinking pellets, tubifex and bloodworms, and loves the scent of krill but doesn't feed at the surface. Gonna try to get him or her hand feeding so I can do krill. Seems as though this fish is damn near blind and will only eat what the whiskers touch. This is leading to some of the tankmates getting over fed. thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter would love to get more of them but the tank is quite small already. It's a standard 125 with an oscar, 2 sevs, a chocolate, and 2 Raphael cats with him. The two Raphs are going in my brother in laws 75 as soon as his lazy ass gets the filter for it. Everyone's still pretty small. I do 80% water changes weekly and 20% water changes with every top off. No more than twice a week in which I take the time to clean up some dookies. Trates are never over 20ppm before weekly water changes. I'm sure that's all gonna change when they get larger. This is also without running carbon in my filters.

The lighting is some plain old t8's that don't put out much light at all. Don't know how I'd dim them without choking the plants. Once the fish get bigger and shred the plants to pieces I'd be more inclined to dim the lighting. Not a big fan of bright tanks anyway. Just didn't know my lighting was too bright for cats.

More driftwood huh.....

Both filters have spray bars on them pointing up and the powerhead is pretty weak with the diy prefilter on it. I might remove the powerhead. None of the fish really like it now that u mention the flow. ..
 
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Mine did the exact same thing for almost a month, I just thawed out 2-3 blood worm cubes in a cup and just dumped them near him and he would at least get a couple, mine is still skittish but eats like a pig
 
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Mine did the exact same thing for almost a month, I just thawed out 2-3 blood worm cubes in a cup and just dumped them near him and he would at least get a couple, mine is still skittish but eats like a pig

What is yours housed with?
 
Mine hated the current in my tank. Ditched the powerheads and built a custom output for my filter to reduce currents and now he's out all the time. Mine loves tiliapia soaked hikari carnivore pellets. Glad to see yours started eating for you! Vertical decor definitely helps. My entire tank is planted top to bottom with long plants and he is always vertical in them or on the driftwood
 
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... Shovelnose is doing great. Eating great. NLS pellets, hikari carnivore sinking pellets, tubifex and bloodworms, and loves the scent of krill but doesn't feed at the surface
***Excellent. Some say it's hard to willfully wean them onto dry foods like pellets but some are easy. Hard to predict why and how.

Gonna try to get him or her hand feeding so I can do krill.
***Always a wonderful idea both for the fish and for you.

Seems as though this fish is damn near blind and will only eat what the whiskers touch. This is leading to some of the tankmates getting over fed.
***Not it, probably. They are ambush predators. They don't chase food. They wait patiently in ambush mimicking a floating twig and wait for live food to get lulled into a feeling of safety and come too close. Then snap! I find their eyesight to be pretty decent for a catfish. That's in day light. At night it all becomes 100% driven by barbels / whiskers but they do need to hide from all the larger predators looking for food at night too......... Having said that I must add that they do adjust their positions and often come out slowly approaching food thrown into their tank. Depends on the flow too and where the food is going, whether it sits in a pile or is blown around or something in between...

... would love to get more of them but the tank is quite small already. It's a standard 125 with an oscar, 2 sevs, a chocolate, and 2 Raphael cats with him. The two Raphs are going in my brother in laws 75 as soon as his lazy ass gets the filter for it. Everyone's still pretty small.
***IMHO you can get at least 6 of them in there, with your impeccable care, might even get more. They are elongatus (max 1'), not lima (max 2').

... This is also without running carbon in my filters.
***I never have carbon in my filters. It'd be a waste of space for my purposes. Can never have too much bio filtration. No such thing.

... Just didn't know my lighting was too bright for cats.
***I didn't mean your lighting. Spoke in general. Like you said, plants give shade and comfort and shelter. The light brightness importance is much reduced then, not eliminated though.

... I might remove the powerhead. None of the fish really like it now that u mention the flow...
***Surely you realize you will reduce DO, dissolved oxygen. So it's a game of the right and doable balance.
 
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