any tips on switching substrate?

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Carefree_Dude

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in one of my tanks i want to move from gravel to sand. I'm pretty sure most of my bacteria is in the gravel though, due to my HOB filter having crappy bio wheels. I do have a seeded sponge filter i can add though.

WIll my bio wheels and sponge filter be enough to supply filtration to my tank? any general tips for removing all the gravel so i can add sand?
 
Hey bud. Even if the developed bb in your filter isn't enough to handle the load the worst case scenario would be that you have a mini cycle going on until the rest of the media you add is established so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

As far as removing substrate with tank running... Just did this today. Sand/Gravel combination. Practically the same as gravel. Here's what I did and recommend considering how ridiculously easy it is. Took an old 3-4ft 1" tube, 5 gallon bucket, and strainer to do. Put the strainer over the 5 gallon bucket and suck yourself a suction with the 1" tube and have it drain over the strainer over the bucket. It'll suck that gravel up in seconds. You'll be surprised how well... Anyhow, once the 5 gallon bucket is full or the strainer fills (whichever one happens first, usually bucket since 1" tube sucks fast) go dump the bucket water in tub and the gravel in the strainer into another container and keep going. I just plug the suction w/ my thumb so I don't have to keep getting a new suction every time. It works great when you have a second person to hold strainer and dump the water bucket while you hold the siphon. I bare bottomed a 45g 4ft long glass tank w/ 100lb of sand/gravel in like 10-15 minutes? I was selling the tank but guy was slacking his ETA and I didn't want to remove the fish until he got there but wanted to get all the substrate and everything packed, so yeah.

As far as adding the sand in, I didn't add any substrate in this tank since it was being broken down to sell but I have done this in my 125g. Same technique for removing, (was removing play sand), and once the PFS was rinsed I just slowly lowered the container of substrate into the bottom of the tank and then slowly release/dumped it onto the bottom. It was cloudy a bit and all the PFS settled over night np and was 100% clear in the morning.
 
Chris.. I know you know this shizzy already!!! ;)

If your tank is well established I don't think you'll have much problems with maintaining the BB.. I find that a large pooper scooper works well to scoop out the gravel.. but if your paranoid about it .. you could use some Stability... or like you said just throw in the seeded sponge filter..
 
IME it doesn't get easier than the method I described when it comes to changing substrates in a tank that is already fully setup. ;)
 
IME it doesn't get easier than the method I described when it comes to changing substrates in a tank that is already fully setup. ;)

Well someone is a little full of themselves tonight.. lol jk!! I actually didn't even see that you posted right before me.. it just makes me sound redundant.. anyway, glad you brought it up cause I'll be using your technique this weekend... so hopefully 130lbs of sand and small rocks with go rather quickly...
 
Gravel is pretty simple to remove. I actually have a 8 inch strong fish net i use to scoop mine out with for the most part. And the small little peices that are left i just suck out with a hose. Sand is the pain in the a-s to remove. And like previously stated if you are worried about removing the bb with the gravel. Just get a bottle of stability and follow the instructiongs if you have never used that product and there will be no problems. By far my favorite product ever mad. I love the cat scooper idea I have a cat so i dought i could ever keep one with out it getting used for poo thow. And i use the net instead of just sucking it all out so it doesnt drain my tank while im doing it. make sure sand is what you really want before you do this. I just took 90 pounds of sand out of my 75 a couple months ago and that is a complete hassle to do to a running tank. Food for thought i have used sand on tanks with bio wheel filters and had it destroy them in less than a month. I took the sand out of my 75 because it killed one of my ac110 and i have rena filstar sponge prefilters on the inlet and it still got in there. And there isnt any prefilters that i know of that fit on the square shaped bio wheel inlets just food for thought. Before you do this
 
You can make your own prefilters for the Emperor/Penguin filters by taking an AquaClear sponge and hollowing out a slit to slide onto the intake. Another option is to use pantyhose.

But sand is dangerous to most HOBs without pre-filters or if the intakes are too close to the ground. Canisters will survive fine since the sand gets trapped in the biomedia before reaching the impeller but all my HOBs on my sand tanks show severe wear on the impellers.
 
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