Well guys, i honestly thought tobi's pic was the best quality pic, and i didnt think i'd get any where near 3rd place. thanks for the votes though and its an incentive to keep trying. one question, are you allowed to photoshop the pics? I'm pretty new to the game and am still confused about what can and cant be edited? please please dont think i'm trying to critisize any pic at all, i'm just wondering if i need to concentrate on learning to crisp up my pics an learning some editing skills rather than posting them as i've taken them?