Are super green texas cichlids escondido? (in Australia)

[cambrew]

I was reading through the CA/SA profile thread and came across the profile for the super green texas which stated it is an escondido. Would this be the case in Australia?

I recently went to my local aquarium shop and they had a super green texas for sale. If I was to buy it would it be bad to breed it with my regular green texas?
If not what size tank would you suggest I breed them in?

Thanks Cam

 

[darth pike]

I've only ever seen the 'super' added when posted by people down there, and they said that's what they called the Escondido ... if you run a search on here, you should find the posts.

It's generally recommended by most not to mix locations, though this site is rather skewed the other way.

 

[the animal guy]

"Super" is man's opinion.

With that, I assume it's just a everyday Carpinti or a Carpinti hybrid.

 

[duanes]

Herichthys carpintus "Escondido" is a location variant, and means the fish (if wild), or its parents or grandparents, were caught in or, near the city of Escondido.
My Herichthys carpintus "chairel", were caught in Lago Chairel, near Tampico. These variants can look slightly different than other variants, but to me, it takes an expert (which I am not) to tell the difference. (chairel below)

If breeding carpintus, mixing locations is considered not a good idea, just in case a "variant" ends up, at some point getting species status, the mixing of 2 and resulting fry would end up considered to be mutts.
Herichthys tamasopoensus has been given species status, although once thought to be just a variation of carpintus . (tamasopoensus below)

 

[cambrew]

It seems like in Australia carpintis cichlids are only ever sold as green texas or super green texas. Are you saying that because no one knows the specific place they came from then no one in Australia should breed these fish?

 

[darth pike]

Not really ... it's more saying that IF the supers are escondidos, then you shouldn't cross them with the regulars in case they end up splitting carpintus even more than they already have. Given your strict importing laws, it would be hard to get new pure ones into the country.

 

[cambrew]

Fair enough. So if I was to find another regular green texas would my 48x14x20 tank be big enough to breed them or would I need something larger?

 

[duanes]

If you find out you have a real "escondido", and breed it to an unknown generic carpintus, then it would be unethical to call the fry escondido, because they would really then be, simply generic carpintus.
If you don't mind just calling them carpintus, then no big deal.
To me calling carpintus "texas" is a bit ridiculous though, because they are not from Texas.
The only true texas cichlid is H cyanoguttatus, but then again, it may be just my bugaboo.

 

[the animal guy]

If you find out you have a real "escondido", and breed it to an unknown generic carpintus, then it would be unethical to call the fry escondido, because they would really then be, simply generic carpintus.
If you don't mind just calling them carpintus, then no big deal.
To me calling carpintus "texas" is a bit ridiculous though, because they are not from Texas.
The only true texas cichlid is H cyanoguttatus, but then again, it may be just my bugaboo.

yeah ppl gotta be into the fish for lot of ppl to know.
they are 2 different breeds

 

[vfrstephen]

I have seen them in aquariums in Melbourne and i have kept carpintis before with the super greens having more intense green in them for sure. Not sure if they are escondidos though.