Armatus finally off live

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My Armatus was starved for 4 days. Got a fresh jar off freeze dried krill. Dropped some in to see if the Tats would finally eat, (been weeks) well they did. After the Tats, as the usual pecking order goes, the Rhaphs then ate. The Armatus has been charging Krill for over a month now but never bit. This time it did, and swallowed. The rest of the Vamps continued eating and the Armatus just sat in one spot for about 2 minutes. After the puzzling 2 minutes it happened. He began relentlessly charging krill. Broke the surface of the water after the first 4 pieces. At this point I am completely extatic. And amazed........

Then, I believe, it took a turn for the worse. After eating over 1/2 dozen pieces it appeared the Armatus recognized the Krill as HIS food. He then quickly began tagging all the other fish that even looked at the Krill. Persuits spanning the entire length of the tank happened numerous times with the Tats. It even charged the Nandus. The ONLY thing it left alone was the 7in Fei Feng.

Before the other vamps would take turns eating from the surface. The Armatus did nothing. Same thing but reversed when feeders were dropped in. All the other Vamps will NOT touch or even chase feeders. They'de just watch the Armatus eat one after another.

Of corse all this happens when the digi has dead batteries. :irked:

I will try to get pics of the chaos in the next few days.

My question........How big do I let the Armatus get before it goes in with my rays? The biggest Ray is probobly 12 inches across.

I guess I'm pretty happy it finally took to dead food but think it created a larger problem in the process. It did take a little longer than I expected. I really thought it'de be on dead within the first month with the way all the other Payara eat the freeze dried krill.

I should be happy that I no longer need feeders for ANY fish in the entire house, but can't help but feel it was at the expense of no longer being able to keep all my Payara together. Just wanted to share with you all a positive yet negative experience.....Hope this can be usefull info to someone out there.
 
Excellent work. I've kept Acestros, Hydrolycus, and Cynodon Gibbus and I've never got them to eat dead stuff. Only feeders and live river shrimp.

Bit risky starving the Tats for weeks though no? :)
 
rumblesushi;1235820; said:
Bit risky starving the Tats for weeks though no? :)

Completely unintentional. They have been refusing food for weeks. I'm sure this has something to do with the Armatus (which is now bigger than they are). I believe the addition of the bigger fei feng helped the situation. Before this addition I saw shank marks in my BGK, have a now tail-less Rhaph, tatered tail on the PTC, damaged snout on ather rhaph (from freekin out) and could witness the Armatus regularly charging and wrestling with the other fish. It seems much more calm with the flagtail in there now. All the Hydros actually swim together.
 
Awesome you got your guy off of live. Im trying to bulk mine up as fast as possible so I keep a constant supply of live in the tank. He has charged FD krill before so I suspect when Im ready to try and convert him it shouldnt be too hard.

I couldnt help but to laugh while reading your story. It is true that armatus have such personalities and react different to different situations. Odd trait for characins IMO.
 
congrats, i would think it would be ok with the rays. i have a small redtail with my 15'' rays.
 
A big congrats man. I am envious of all of you getting yours onto prepared foods. I have had mine close to a year now and he still won't take. I have starved him for up to three weeks and he regularly has gone two weeks in the past four months and still will not take. He will false charge krill just like your describing and he will hit silversides I throw in with his nose but will not eat. I am on the verge of just giving up and going back to live. How big is yours? A 12" ray can pin a decently sized fish.
 
My Armatus is about 7 inches.

I don't trust it with a 12in ray. I had 7 in rays kill a 6in Tat. I think I'de be safer to wait till the Armatus is at least 10-12 inches.

Unfortunately that may not be an option. I found my smaller Rhaph dead this morning. I think there was about 1/2 dozen shank marks in it's stomach.

I really thought I had till Christmas before the massacre began........
 
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