Bass spitting out feeders...

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rlheugel

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One of my bass is obviously having problems, and I am going to try and save him if possible. He has eaten one feeder fish over the past four days and has reluctantly taken some bloodworms, but he is obviously not eating. He usually eats 3-4 feeders a day for comparison, so something is off. He has no visible sign of disease at all and water parameters are perfect (Amm = 0.0; Nitri = 0.0; Nitrate = 20.0). I did a water change the day before I started noticing problems (four days ago), but none of the other fish, including the two other bass are having any problems at all. The other bass are definitely consuming what he is leaving for them, so he is the sole factor. I saw him eat one fish two days ago, and I have seen him SPIT OUT two others! WTF! Never seen a bass spit out a fish and not eat. Based on these observations (not eating, good water, other fish, and no external problems), I am assuming there is something internal going on. This leaves me with questions:

1) Does this generic description of a problem sound familiar at all? Any thoughts on what might be causing this fish's problems?

2) How would you treat this problem? What meds? Should I pull him from the tank? If so what type of setup should I use? 10 Gallon with sponge filter ok?

Note: I already raised temp to 88 and added 1 tbs of salt per five gallon an hour ago - so we will see what happens with that, but should I do more?

3) How should I try and feed him? Should I continue offering feeders, or is this a bad idea when sick? Should I try the bloodworms more since he is still eating them slowly?

Note: Answer to this question might consider whether you would advice in with other fish or alone, as alone would be easier to feed with less competition.

I used to keep fish as a kid, but was a bad fish owner and am trying to do much better than my dad taught me. This is my second group of fish since I started keeping fish again this year, so I don't really have a ton of treatment about fish problems and meds and such, so being specific would be helpful. I am learning a bunch because of this site, but this guy is kind of being one of my first problems (unfortunately for the guy), so I guess you get to learn about this too on him. He has become so skinny that his jaw is quite larger than his stomach, and I don't think he has much time left. If nothing improves, I expect him to be gone in a day and and half, just based on my novice predictions. So any advice would be really helpful. Thanks for any suggestions you can provide.
 
seperate him and try live crickets or live red worms maybe if you can get a baby tiny crawdad how big is the bass anyway?

pics?
 
how big of a tank are they in now...? do they have any other tank mates...? / if so must keep him by himself... my guess he's probably stressed out...
 
If it was me I would turn my temp back down to 80-84 and feed live nightcrawlers to see if it will take those. If it has a noticable (chunk) out of its stomach it could be internal parasites. Pics would help identify if it is. If so, there are several treatment solutions, I prefer the use of cupramine or coppersafe to treat parasites. I've used it on my mono's and temensis in the past and it hasn't failed me yet. Just be sure you don't overdose with either of those especially the cupramine because its really potent. Also be sure that if you use those you can live with never having invertebrates in that tank again without draining and a hardcore tank clensing. I've used those two solutions also to treat external parasites and in general occasionally to ensure no parasite are living in my water.

Does it have any visible sores or redness on its fins anywhere? Size of the fish compared to size of the feeder? Other tank specs like tank mates and gallon size would be helpfull to ID the problem ~Trent
 
Well, when got up a few minutes ago for the day, I noticed that he was visibly more active and seemed to begging at the tank as he had done in the past, so I tried dropping in a few to see if he would take, and he did. He ate two feeders like he hadn't eaten in days (I wonder why). I think the salt and temp adjustment had a beneficial impact on him for sure. His color also looks less faded, and his stomach appears to not be sunken in as much after eating. So, it looks like things might be getting a little better.

I am still seeking any advice that someone might think may be necessary here to keep this fish on a road to recovery, so please feel free to add more. In response to the questions asked previously:

Pics?
I can't my brother is borrowing my only camera about an hour and half away, and I have pneumonia right now and just can't get out there and get it. So my description will have to do.

Visible characteristics?

Chunk missing from stomach?
No, don't think there was a chunk before today because it seemed to be even throughout with no distinguishable specific point. It just seems really sunken in from not eating at all.

Red fins or red mis-coloration?
Not any noticeable redness other than the traditional color on his fins or tails. Just classic bass colors (I have monos I think).

Tank Size?
135 Gallon - 72X18X24
(They will be moving to my new 310 in a year, which is coming with my new house.)

Tankmates?
5) 6 inch Silver Dollars (Will be moved at the point they may be eaten)
1) 7 inch Lima Shovelnose

Bass Size?
Each of the three bass is between four and five inches. This one is the smallest of the three and is closer to the four inch mark. He has seemed like the less healthy of all of them, and I thought I would lose him at first but didn't. He was catching up and seemed healthy until this experience. Maybe he will have problems for a while. Or maybe, he caught my pneumonia.

Feeder Size?
I have been feeding basic rosey red feeders (1 inchers). I put these feeders through a two tank treatment program before feeding, in which time they are kept in one tank with meds (tank 1) and one with salt and a higher temp (tank 2). They are kept in each tank for one week, so I have them for two weeks before feeding.

I think I covered most of the questions. Again, while the fish is making a comeback, any advice would still be very appreciated. Additionally, if my routines and information provided seem detrimental to the health of my fish, please inform me of any improvements I could make to help my fish. Thanks to everyone who has responded thus far and to those who will do so in the future.
 
Before he died, my bass LOVED crawdads, the fact of which wasn't what killed him, and I've taken his enthusiasm to heart and offered them to some of my other big fish... found another serious taker in my oscar who cleans them up! Good luck in your fish-husbanding (now how's THAT for a phrase?!?)
 
my cichla were spewin up feeders for a while to!! i just thoguht they ate em to quick...since ive been feeding Beefheart and there all good again..
 
Could it have possibly been that one of his feeders just got stuck in an awkward position on the way down? This would explain his lack of enthusiasm for a few days. As soon as the feeder was dislodged, his appetite would be back to normal.

You should try weaning them onto a prepared diet, less likely to get stuck.
 
Well, I think he is going to be okay for now. He started eating regularly again. I wonder if a feeder may have gone down wrong now that it was brought up because it kind of happened suddenly and he showed no signs of disease and all other fish were cool. I am going to try and get them off of live when they hit the 6 inch mark soon, but for now they seem to resistant to the concept. They will take bloodworms, but they need more food than that and they don't eat anything else. I threw some market shrimp in for my lima once and one bit and spit, so there's potential, but I think I will hold off on that for now. Thanks for the input.
 
_Sushi_;1230802; said:
Could it have possibly been that one of his feeders just got stuck in an awkward position on the way down? This would explain his lack of enthusiasm for a few days. As soon as the feeder was dislodged, his appetite would be back to normal.

You should try weaning them onto a prepared diet, less likely to get stuck.

Agreed,

I have noticed in Juveniles that sometimes they spit to move the prey aroudn properly and notice that it is dead and lose interest completely.. Whether they killed it or not...
 
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