lovespunaround;1241956; said:
What a joker.... another knee slapper.... here is to you and your impromptu
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What a joker.... another knee slapper.... here is to you and your impromptu
Dude, you clean up the poop, and it doesnt stink. As simple as that.
Yes, I do substrate changes once a year. If my animals were in the huge overwhelming vast majority of abused unhealthy animals, they would have died from who knows what bacterial infection YEARS ago. They havent.
Heck, we live on the same carpet or tile for more than a year. You dont wanna know whats in your carpet. All we do is vacuum once a week or so. Same with cleaning poop. Find me one person who replaces the floors every month in their house. We did once in a 25 year old house. C'mon man.
Yes, I do substrate changes once a year. If my animals were in the huge overwhelming vast majority of abused unhealthy animals, they would have died from who knows what bacterial infection YEARS ago. They havent.
Heck, we live on the same carpet or tile for more than a year. You dont wanna know whats in your carpet. All we do is vacuum once a week or so. Same with cleaning poop. Find me one person who replaces the floors every month in their house. We did once in a 25 year old house. C'mon man.
Jessica Dring;1241748; said:
Again Jess not to be argumentive, but that falls under common sense and knowing that when there is feces laying around its time to clean up. Its one of the many responsibilities that we inherit when we decide to purchase exotic animals. I know most people dont have the know how etc.... etc.... and they want everything handed on a silver platter, but I think the one thing that sets up apart from other species is our ability to reason, in turn mixing that reason with common sense will supply the infinite amount of answers to the copius amount of sub par questions that inundate this forum.. I much prefer debating on everyday stuff, which is the fun part in all of this.
loconorc;1241707; said:Hey varanio havent seen you in a few weeks...
I agree with you in both posts.Not kissin' up to you this time lol
Been real busy @ work, I come on most of the time late night to make sure there is no garbage to take out, so far its been pretty clean.
varanio;1244142; said:
Why does it really have to be what YOU like to debate on? Most debates in my opinion are worthy debates..we have different views yes but it doesn't mean just because you don't like a certain debate it doesn't mean others don't and that it can't be debated. You don't have to post if you don't like the topic, which you've made clear once already.
Yes of course we pick the poo out, this is obvious, but it can still be unhygienic, I would hope you of all know that.
And Loconorc, I hope you don't s**t on your kitchen floor then, and that even when you do your mother mops it
Abit different to an animals living quarters now isn't it..Btw Varanio, I'm not being argumentitive either, just putting my opinion forward
Unhygenic isnt really dangerous. Humans are among the worst of all. When you flush your toilet, thousands of droplets of urine and crap water fly out and splatter all over your bathroom. When you close it and flush, the vapor comes out once you open it. That eventually gets onto your hands, then you touch something like your shirt. Wash your hands, touch your shirt again. YOU CANT AVOID IT. Same with reptiles. They dont have a toilet, youre the flush. We have fecal matter all over the place, and I dont see that many healthy people dropping dead.
Then again, the majority of captive animals AND PEOPLE are nowhere near healthy, which is why I feel so strongly about it.
But the great thing is that healthy immune systems can put up with it. Hopefully your animal does. If it does, makes life easier for everyone. Its so simple, yet no one really gets it. I can tell varanios got it. Its so easy.
Point is, pick up poop. Clean the cage when its dirty. 'Nuff said.
Its only opinion till you back it up with facts.
Then again, the majority of captive animals AND PEOPLE are nowhere near healthy, which is why I feel so strongly about it.
But the great thing is that healthy immune systems can put up with it. Hopefully your animal does. If it does, makes life easier for everyone. Its so simple, yet no one really gets it. I can tell varanios got it. Its so easy.
Point is, pick up poop. Clean the cage when its dirty. 'Nuff said.
Its only opinion till you back it up with facts.
Jessica Dring;1244187; said:Why does it really have to be what YOU like to debate on? Most debates in my opinion are worthy debates..we have different views yes but it doesn't mean just because you don't like a certain debate it doesn't mean others don't and that it can't be debated. You don't have to post if you don't like the topic, which you've made clear once already.
Yes of course we pick the poo out, this is obvious, but it can still be unhygienic, I would hope you of all know that.
And Loconorc, I hope you don't s**t on your kitchen floor then, and that even when you do your mother mops it
Btw Varanio, I'm not being argumentitive either, just putting my opinion forward
This has nothing to do with me and what I like, this has to do with learning, advancing and coming up with fresh and innovative ways to keep our animals while letting them perform their life events. We forget as keepers that these animals are programmed in their DNA to feed stay warm and cool to accomplish life events then die when the time comes. We get selfish as keepers and dictate what they should be how they should be where they should be etc etc etc.... those are those boxes we dictate them to live in. Why not make it more comfortable for them to live in there, by making it as close to wild as it could possibly be ? Why settle for reptile carpet, calcium sand, and many of the other propagized products that are drilled in us that are beneficial to the animal when in fact they are not. Again this isnt about you or me or loconorc or the newer hobbyists that keep asking the same question over and over and over again. This is why there are threads, this is why there are search options,pinned topics, archives, for us to do the research. This all ties in to the fact that we want everything on a silver platter. Success is measured on how long you manage to keep your animal healthy and alive to their scientifically proven ages, thats success to me, and the icing on the cake would be to watch them breed and produce generations. We can agree to disagree all we want and we may share different views on what we think is right or wrong, but im basing my views on experience and speaking with and interacting with dinosaurs who have been researching reptiles long before I was even into them, reading journals, thesisis, etc... and the best teachers of them all the animals. This is what I have been trying to preach to everyone. Let the animal tell you whats wrong, plain and simple, if you do that then ..... it will be a better road.
I never said it was, but it is KIND to the animal to be hygienic. It becomes dangerous should your animal fall ill, which, no matter whether your the best or worst keeper in the wold, will eventually happen.loconorc;1244211; said:
I stated this was my opinion, not fact, that would also make your theory an opinion.
True. But theres a point where the line is drawn..
Edit: Err, with varanio! Jeez, yall reply too fast! lol
I agree with you too jessica and see your point. The second part though, I just want to say that mine wasnt a 'theory'. Its my opinion, with facts based on studies that I have seen as well as BLATANT RESULTS.
Notice how the people that obsess over cleaning and everything else unnecesary get nowhere. Sure, the animals still alive. People that stop obsessing over things like that and get down to the simple basics like it should be get real results in breeding and animals that are the picture of health. Im not saying to try and be dirty, just pick up poop and call it a day.
Jess I see where you feel to think that this is about what I like and the like
"I much prefer debating on everyday stuff, which is the fun part in all of this.?
This is just a fraction of my point. This is what I prefer to talk about because I think its the base and the core of where we should be looking at to better the quality of life of our animals, not the reptile carpet and the clacium glow sand discussions that I see on here. This started with poop and it smelling, those two things go together like fish and chips, agreed? We all know it smells, and it should be scooped daily if not 3x a week or so, and if the smell is unbearable to keeper they can change it as seen fit, but most people forget that most omnivorous species have the foulest smelling feces of them all due to their diet. I think were beating a dead horse here. What I want to do is get a collection of caresheets, to start as a base for folks looking for answers for the most basic of questions, that will divert the attention to the most important part of this forum, which is the successful keeping and maintaining of reptiles and exotics.
"I much prefer debating on everyday stuff, which is the fun part in all of this.?
This is just a fraction of my point. This is what I prefer to talk about because I think its the base and the core of where we should be looking at to better the quality of life of our animals, not the reptile carpet and the clacium glow sand discussions that I see on here. This started with poop and it smelling, those two things go together like fish and chips, agreed? We all know it smells, and it should be scooped daily if not 3x a week or so, and if the smell is unbearable to keeper they can change it as seen fit, but most people forget that most omnivorous species have the foulest smelling feces of them all due to their diet. I think were beating a dead horse here. What I want to do is get a collection of caresheets, to start as a base for folks looking for answers for the most basic of questions, that will divert the attention to the most important part of this forum, which is the successful keeping and maintaining of reptiles and exotics.
