Believed I have decided on my 90 gallon

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Belszy

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From searching around talking with shop owners and reading reviews, threads, posts this is what I have come up for my future investment.

90 Gallon Marineland corner overflow tank.
Sump - Marineland Acrylic Sump Filtration System Model 3
Mag Drive Pump for return from Sump to tank (X2) one for each side.
Will figure out heater which will go in sump pump.
I am looking at a undergravel system using PVC pipes and using 2 rio aqua pumps inside the tank hooked up to the pvc pipes to keep a strong gravel filtration going.

How does this stack up with the experts? And cost wise should i shop around for a 100 or stick at 90?

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Belszy :nilly:
 
The stardard 90 Gal is 48" x 18" @ 24" tall...

There is no "standard" 100 gal, although there are a few uncommon versinos...


What type of fish do you plan on keeping?

Few fish will actually "need" or even "do better" with the extra height but many fish will "prefer" extra length or width. But then again if you prefer the look of a 90 gal, then by all means get it...

There is a common 120 gal that is 60" x 18" @ 20" tall that you may want to consider as a larger alternative to the standard 90 gal.


If you are the DIY type of person, making your own sump box will allow you a lot more diversity and will save you a good bit of money. But if you want somethign you can take out of the box, slap together and be ready to go, your sump idea sounds fine.


Please elaborate on the "undergravel system" you are referring to. Will this be an "undergravel filter", "undergravel jets" or something else? It sonuds like you mean undergravel jets, but I'd like to make sure.

I've made several DIY versions of an undergravel jet system. Each one worked to some degree but I was never satisfied by any of them. The biggest drawback I found ni them is the pipes get uncovered by digging fish. Since I've discovered the Hydor powerheads I've stopped using any undergravel jets and reply on these powerheads to do the same job (move waste to intakes).
 
Sorry for the mis information, meant 110 gallon set up.
Yes it is undergravel jets - I read a couple of articles and some people use glue or adhesive the pvc pipes to their tanks, was thinking more of suction cups - burying them under the gravel so diggers dont unearth them.
As far as the fish goes - I am not looking for big exotic fish, me and my wife strictly love small fish in schools - please call me crazy but neons, small plecos, mollies, etc just small fish nothing large and exotic. Granted I know larger tank fish will grow to certain sizes but we plan to have a populated tank and moderate the size of the fish.

I will look up your hydors and i believe i saw a article or review on them. And yes i am just looking for something to move debris of gravel bottom to intakes of my sump.
 
The 110 gal (48" x 18" @ 30" tall) are beautiful tanks...

Consider what it will be like reaching into move something on the bottom of a 30" tall tank. It may be awkward for some people...

Small schooling fish are more likely to utilize the middle region of the tank and taller tanks basically just have a larger middle region. So this sounds ilke it may work pretty well for you.

Small fish also have smaller waste, therefore it takes less of a current to move it to the intakes. They also do not dig the way most Cichlids do so they are less likely to expose burried pipes.

What are you planning for decor in this tank?
 
In all honestly as far as decoration goes - I am staying away from life plants at this time. I am going to set up some rocks, gravel for bottom, going to get some larger rocks from store and drill holes in them and connect some of them together ( community fish rocks not large heavy rocks ). Probably some large fake plants to drift and sway, and of course family decorations. Yes i am aware most of it is childish but family enjoys the smaller fish and i am not interested in the larger fish till i am more confident of my abilities to handle larger tanks.

I will add a lot of hiding places for fish to sleep tight and feel cozy in.
 
It doesn't sound "childish" and don't worry about making anyone happy with this tank except you and your family.


You can do a lot with a very docile community of small fish.


There are a few species of top dwelling fish. Hatchet Fish are one of the most common and African Butterfly fish are a unique looking but fairly common one also.


There are countless middle range fish to choose from. Also many of them are schooling fish. Keep in mind that schooling fish generally do not hide and prefer wide open areas over anything else. They find their safety in numbers, not in caves. Some are "fin nippers" and a large school of these amongst other completely docile species can be stressful on the docile fish. So read up and find a nice balance.


There are a few Dwarf Cichlids like any of the Apistogrammas or (Bolivian or German) Rams. These guys stay small (generally 4" or less) and although they display the intelligence and behavior of a Cichlid, they stay quite docile and mix well with community fish such as those I suggested above. The Dwarf Cichlids will mainly inhabit the floor of the tank dwelling in/near caves.

There are also any number of types of Plecostomus that stay small, show very interesting patterns and would be an asset to a tank like this.



For a while I used a 6' 125 gal tank as a Dwarf Cichlid tank and a Blue Dempsey grow out tank. It was also stocked with a couple of types of Tetras and other small docile fish. To be honest, I've never enjoyed this tank more than during that time.



If you stock your tank something like I have suggested here, I honestly feel the sump filtration system will be a waste. Sumps are well regarded for their ability to offer biofiltration, but even a fairly dense stock of these small fish will not compare to the ammonia produced by larger Cichlids. I think you would be much better off to spend your money on a quality canister filter (or two). It will also be easier to set the tank up to have silent filtration using canisters as opposed to a sump.


I also wouldn't bother with an under gravel jet system with these small fish. Their tiny waste is so easily moved, the flow of the filter/s and possibly a powerhead should be plenty strong enough to prevent waste from collecting on the bottom.


Also, just to throw it out there, I suggest considering sand as opposed to gravel. Gravel allows waste to fall down into the gravel and rot. Using a gravel vac is then pretty important and can be a bit of a pain to do regularly. Sand keeps waste on top of the substrate where it can more easily be pushed into a filter intake. It's also MUCH easier to siphon waste off the surface of sand than to do a thorough gravel vac.

Feel free to read up on the subject to get a more fuller view of your options, but most people side with Pool Filter Sand. It is readily available, inexpensive (under $10 per 50 lb) and the particles are large grained (compared to other sands) which makes them settle faster and less likely to get sucked into your filters.
 
Lastly, don’t limit yourself to what the LFS guy and I are suggesting. Put some hours into reading as this tank will be in your home for many years to come. Creating “the right” tank for you and your family can make this a wonderful family project… as opposed to that eyesore you paid too much for… Make Google your friend ;-)
 
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