Best temp for "community"?

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So I've always kept my CA cichlid tanks at 78°, give or take a degree or two, as the species I've kept do well in that. However, I've just added Thorichthys maculipinnis to my 8ft tank to be tank mates with my O. heterospila who are growing out. I'm new to maculipinnis, but I have read that keeping them at temps that are too high can cause health issues with them. Tank currently sits at 78° as per my normal, and also include the heterospila, a big group of marble angelfish, a marbled fenestratus, a rainbow, and a group of SAE (true). So I'm trying to decide on an "ideal" temp that suits everyone without putting the maculipinnis in jeopardy. I'm thinking 74-75°? Is that still going to be too high for the general health of the maculipinnis? Really don't think I want to/can afford to go much lower for the sake of everyone ELSE in the tank...thoughts, experiences?
 
You really should research if the species your looking to add will be compatible with the current inhabitants you have.

When I kept and spawn maculipinnis there were kept at 74, or even a little lower. They need cool, highly oxygenated water to do well long term. I’ve seen some shocking specimens kept in warm water long term with bent spines/ deformed tails

The fenestrata will be fine at the lower temperatures (they are found together with T. maculipinnis in the wild). Won’t take into account it is likely a hybrid as most marbled fenestrata are these days.

The other cichlids you listed likely won’t do well in the lower temperatures. Oscura and Pterophyllum are found in much warmer temperatures in comparison to maculipinnis and Thorichthys of the helleri complex.

I’d recommend either removing the maculipinnis or the other fish that require warmer temperatures.

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Yeah, well, they came recommended specifically as tank mates for the heterospila and when I DID google temp specs for them, everything comes up saying the usual 76-80.
 
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high 60s to mid 70s is best. 68-75/76. Central American species are kept in 'cool water' tanks here which get to 72-73 currently in the winter and in the summer they will get to about 77 which is plenty fine for the species you've mentioned. Room temp in most homes is prefect fine for most central American species.
 
Since Oscura and Thorichthys are found together in the same waters in nature, the normal temps should work for both.
Any cichlid from Mexico is usually adaptable to lower temps
The only oddball sthat don't belong in that tank, are the South American Angel, and the Asian S AE which beyond temps, both come from very different chemical water parameters no matter how you look at it.
Being a very anal biotope fanatic, I'd give them they're own tanks.
 
I think that, in general, many aquarists tend to keep most species at temperatures that are a wee bit higher than is necessary, although still well within the tolerable range. Worrying about a 2 degree difference only really makes sense when the species in question is already being kept at a temperature that is approaching one of the extremes (high or low) of its "acceptable" range...but it does save money on electricity. If your ambient room temperature is ten degrees below your desired tank temperature...i.e. a very realistic example...and you dial down your tank heaters by only one degree, you have reduced the amount of heating and therefore the required energy to achieve that temp difference by ten percent. Since heating water is far and away the most costly component of maintaining most aquariums, this can be significant.

When breeding, even a couple degrees can make a difference to activity, and also to fry appetite, metabolism and growth rate, so that's an area where I tend to go a bit warmer if I want good growth of young fry. I have a few Goodeid fry which were born at the beginning of this cold season, just before they were moved into the basement where most of them are currently at about 60F, and they show ridiculously slow growth compared to siblings that were born last spring and had an entire warm summer to bulk up.

Finally...google the temperature requirements of a few random species of fish and see what you find. When I see the temperature range is suggested to be "in the low 70's" or "70 - 80 degrees", I tend to think that it might be realistic. But when I see something like "temp: 73.6 - 81.4 degrees F", it makes me wonder how much I trust that source. Did they read another source...likely in degrees C...do a mathematical conversion, and then just slap that number down without thinking about how silly it sounds? Key words there: without thinking. How many times does that happen in the aquarium literature?

Read everything. Don't completely believe anything. Avoid extremes.
 
Since Oscura and Thorichthys are found together in the same waters in nature, the normal temps should work for both.
Any cichlid from Mexico is usually adaptable to lower temps
The only oddball sthat don't belong in that tank, are the South American Angel, and the Asian S AE which beyond temps, both come from very different chemical water parameters no matter how you look at it.
Being a very anal biotope fanatic, I'd give them they're own tanks.

The angelfish are very temporary, they were only purchased because they were a compatable-enough cheap option from a local breeder to act as dithers when I moved the baby heterospila into the 8ft tank while I decided what I actually wanted to add with them for the long term. They aren't meant to be part of the "permanent" stocking plan, so will be moved sooner than later.
 
Thanks all. I'll drop the temp in the tank to about 74°, and make sure to pull the angelfish ASAP.
 
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