Black & Rio M.Blue Umbies, need help identifing, sex

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Plecostomus
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Hello, I was asked by some members to post some pic`s of my 3 to 5 inch Umbies for type and sex identification.
I have about eight in total (I think) and each pic is of a different Umbie.
They are all in a 600 gallon grow out tank with many other cichlid grow outs.
I am having a hard time in telling some of the Blacks Gorillus apart from the Rio M.Blues.
Especially what I think might be females.
I am also having a hard time in determining the sex of each.
I also have Caquetaia Spectabilis in the mix but don`t need clarification on them.
So please refer to the picture number and say what type and sex you think it is.
Sorry for bad quality pic`s.
Thanks

Pic 1;
Black1.JPG

Pic 2;
Black2.JPG

Pic 3;
Black3.JPG
Pic 4;
Black4.JPG
Pic 5;
Blue1.JPG
Pic 6;
Blue2.JPG
Pic 7;
Blue3.JPG

Pic 8:
BlackBlue.JPG
Pic 9;
BlueBlack.JPG
 
Example:
Pic 1; Male Black
Pic 2; not sure
etc
etc
Last two pic`s have two Umbies in each pic so you could say
Pic 9; Left side blue female and right side black male.
Thanks
 
I guess I should include my opinion.
Pic:
1) Black Male
2) Black Male
3) Black Female
4) Black Female
5) Blue Male
6) Blue Male
7) Blue Male
8) Blue Female left & Black Male right
9) Blue Female left & Black Female right
 
1-4 gorillus, can't see 5 real good, the rest are rio mags. And 1 is male
 
1-4 gorillus, can't see 5 real good, the rest are rio mags. And 1 is male

Thanks, I sure hope one of the blues is a male.
Also in the last pic 9, there are two umbies, the one on the left is def. a blue but the one on the right looks completely different, but you think they are both blue? I was thinking the one on the right might be a black female?
 
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