Vendor Bleekeri fry’s

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Do you have a picture of the actual parents or are those farmed? I used to breed those long time ago. Thanks.
 
Backfromthedead said:
Very nice. I've heard bleekeri are difficult to source. Do you know if they are wild caught, F1, captive bred? Thanks.
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If I remember correctly, bleekeri is now considered just a vendor name by the scientific community. It all boils down to the scientific community not able to find bleekeri where it was originally discovered, hence the scientific designation of just Paratilapia sp polleni
 
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When I was breeding them long long time ago, the Polleni was the small spot ones and the Bleekeri was the big spot ones. The pictures of the large ones(first 3 pictures) are the Bleekeri. The Bleekeri are more in demand. Obviously they look much better. They do breed very easily if you have the right set. I used a 35 gallon tank only. You do have to take the eggs to hatch. I used a bare bottom tank with a bucket gravel filter. They breed at the bucket filter every time.
 
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Rocksor said:
If I remember correctly, bleekeri is now considered just a vendor name by the scientific community. It all boils down to the scientific community not able to find bleekeri where it was originally discovered, hence the scientific designation of just Paratilapia sp polleni
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Hmmmm, so you're basically saying that "true" bleekeri are apparently extinct? And this "vendor name" is what, just to drum up sales from a perceived exclusivity? I'm confused since the original taxonomy is literally centuries old. You can't simply just call a polleni a bleekeri...or can you...is that what you're suggesting?
 
Backfromthedead said:
Hmmmm, so you're basically saying that "true" bleekeri are apparently extinct? And this "vendor name" is what, just to drum up sales from a perceived exclusivity? I'm confused since the original taxonomy is literally centuries old. You can't simply just call a polleni a bleekeri...or can you...is that what you're suggesting?
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There's a whole discussion about it in 2014 when the scientific community made this decision that bleekeri can't be proven to exist in the hobby because there are no wild specimens in the original location it was discovered by Sauvage 1882. Hence their belief that it is extinct.

Id on paratilapia?

Someone posted that bleekeri have never existed in the aquarium trade. Is this true? and why? Also, I have a polleni, but picked up this guy a few weeks ago. Is this also a polleni? Thanks New Paratilapia ??? Paratilapia polleni
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You will see web links that Paul Loiselle apologized (in 2011) for the confusion in papers he co-authored in the 1990s.

The aquaculture industry can name any breed of fish anything they want, like Texas cichlid or Strigata pike (which Warzel has already identified and continues to be misidentified by vendors and hobbyists). Some vendors have actually moved on from calling it bleekeri as the scientific name and put something like Bleekeri cichlid (Paratilapia polleni sp) or just big spot Polleni. I can't say if naming something Bleekeri makes the Starry Night cichld more expensive than Polleni or Big Spot andapa or small spot polleni.

I'm just pointing out the fact that many folks still believe that true bleekeri is purchasable from the hobby, when there's no way to prove it is. It's just like midevil vs red devil debate. If you can't prove a red devil's lineage, then you just have a midevil. So since you can't prove bleekeri's lineage, then you just have a polleni (with regards to scientific classification).
 
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