Bloat???

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Jimr

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One of my breeders. Never seen this before. Looks like bloat. Don't know if rays can get it. Think she will be floating in the morning. She's doubled in size in two days. It sucks. She's pregnant also.
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Try a salt bath. If she's eating soak the food too. I use the salt at one teaspoon per five gallons of tank water.
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Even with a pic or vid i would have no idea what you should do... She taking in water somehow? She get stung?
 
She looks like she has 10 pups in her. Has a hard time staying on the bottom. Looks like her rear end trys to float. Blood trickling out of her rear end.
 
espsom salt... tablespoon per 5 gallons. may be obstrucion from pups too.. Charney Charney ideas?
 
sorry this doesn't sound good. When is she due to whelp (is this the right word with rays?)? With the bloody discharge I worry most about her pregnancy that she maybe having a dystocia meaning she can't pass the pups, there was an uterine torsion or that a pup (s) have died and now she has an uterine infection. There are obviously a lot of causes of bloat but with the discharge I would definitely guess pup related. Unless the bloody discharge from the cloaca appears to bloody stool then it is is most likely uterine. I would definitely get her into her own tank. The salts won't hurt but think her best shot is with antibiotics. If you have a vet by you that can give you injectable that is your best shot.

Dystocias have been reported i these guys. Another thing to consider (which is not low stress but might be life saving) is to take her out and do a cloacal exam (with gloved finger of course) and see if there is a blockage you can palpate and remove. This is best done under sedation if you have that option. I hate to say if you loose her you should definitely try to do a necropsy at home with pictures to determine what happened.

If you can't get injectable, you could consider oxytratracycline or kanamycin. both will affect your filter
 
sorry this doesn't sound good. When is she due to whelp (is this the right word with rays?)? With the bloody discharge I worry most about her pregnancy that she maybe having a dystocia meaning she can't pass the pups, there was an uterine torsion or that a pup (s) have died and now she has an uterine infection. There are obviously a lot of causes of bloat but with the discharge I would definitely guess pup related. Unless the bloody discharge from the cloaca appears to bloody stool then it is is most likely uterine. I would definitely get her into her own tank. The salts won't hurt but think her best shot is with antibiotics. If you have a vet by you that can give you injectable that is your best shot.

Dystocias have been reported i these guys. Another thing to consider (which is not low stress but might be life saving) is to take her out and do a cloacal exam (with gloved finger of course) and see if there is a blockage you can palpate and remove. This is best done under sedation if you have that option. I hate to say if you loose her you should definitely try to do a necropsy at home with pictures to determine what happened.

If you can't get injectable, you could consider oxytratracycline or kanamycin. both will affect your filter
Thank you DR. Charney-
 
OMG this does not sound good mate. I have no idea what to do or say to help. Feel for you and the ray bud. Hope something good comes from this. If she does pass would it be worth trying to cut her open to see if you can save the pups, assuming she was very close to giving birth?
Best of luck mate, really.
 
Very informative post from Dr Charney.

Because I have kept rays for so many years I have experienced both the good and the bad, this case is no different. I have lost 3 rays over the years all female with these symptoms, there is often a orange/yellow blob of Jelly deposited from the females as well as the bloody discharge from the cloaca, in most cases death follows within 3 days,. I have added a picture of a female I lost 5 years ago, here blood can be seen draining into the container, even in death she was so beautiful, one of my home bred babies which made the loss even more hard to bare.
I wish you all the best but false hope is never a good thing either, try the antibiotics, if its caught quick enough who knows. This I might add happened after giving birth in all cases a few days later.S1053912.JPG S1053914.JPG
 
My god Richard! The ups and downs of ray keeping. That was a cracking looking ray.
This is the one thing i hate about this hobby regards rays. When they get poorly or something goes wong we seem so helpless and unable to turn around a bad situation. Losing what i would call a normal looking fish is one thing, but losing a ray is so much harder. They become pets that we become very attached to.
 
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