"Bloodlines"

[ahud]

Lately, I have seen a lot of youtubers using the terms "line", "bloodline", and "pedigree" when referring to their large cichlids. Some of the names are over the top, and I am not sure what it actually takes to be considered a "line". But I think the concept is interesting to say the least. Anything that gets us away from the unsustainable method of buying six sibling and letting them pair off is a good thing, in my opinion.

Do you think this trend will last? Do you think it will grow in popularity? I would love to see more people breeding with purpose to avoid inbreeding and not breeding poor specimens. I find it interesting. I don't think I have seen "pedigree" or "lines" associated with cichlids except for location variants. Breeders of Guppies, Bettas, Kilifish, etc, seem to keep up with it more than us cichlid people.

 

[ehh]

Funny you mention this considering this happened yesterday
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/imperial-line-festae.671752/

I don't think it's a trend that is going anywhere. Honestly, I didn't know it was a "trend" lol. Not enough people keep fish for it to go somewhere. More so, not enough people that keep fish are involved in the hobby enough to care. And still more so, not enough people that are involved in the hobby are willing to spend extra money on a line breed fish compared to something they can find at a lfs.
I think the only people that will keep it alive are the people that are sourcing it. If I got a Kingkong line umbee I'm going to refer to it as an Umbee lol.

 

[duanes]

The definition of "bloodline" might mean different things to different people.
If you had a pair of fish whose wild caught parents came from Rio Tumbles, or Tuyra (Tuira), and had no hybrid pollution, this would be worth something to me.
If you had a pair of line bred hybrids with a made up Pokemon name, it would still be worthless to me, because all hybrids are to me, the definition of the term mutt.
But of course, this may be just the opposite for someone else.

 

[dan518]

Most people I think given the choice will go for a wild court or a f1 with a catch location, the catch location probably being the most important, and now with forums like this it's fairly easy to get hold of them.

 

[fishfanatic80]

I don't think this hobby will run into problems with inbreeding so I don't think it's necessary to get into bloodlines. Like stated above there is very easy ways to insure your not gonna end up with a bad blood fish like buying wild caught or fish that are from different locations. Bloodlines are only a trend in the koi trade because the prices vary so much between show koi and regular koi. Then you also get into livestock grading

 

[vinod_uthaiah]

I think it will be a fading trend... I have seen bloodlines more referred to Dogs...could be for other animals too...but I am not aware.
The only that I came across for wet pets was ...Wild caught , F0 and F1.

 

[hooliganATV]

it ruined the reptile trade, because you had two people breeding the same gene pool under different linage and then that added question over whether they were compatible etc. i have seen the same snake breed by two different people sold under two different linage names but the male was the same one. It got to the point where people were crossing linage to create now linage to grab money and just creating mutt snakes that were actually related. i'm a fan of natural animals, in fact this trend actually hiked up the price on pure line snakes to the point a morph was cheaper than a proven pure line.

that said fish produce too many to really establish a line, if you line breed it means you need to keep most of the offspring, back breed add new blood etc to get a trait worth noting, this inits self leads to inbreeding etc once you have said trait you then have to work out how your going to sale it, reptile keepers only sale females for the first year the males two years later you cant do that with fry.

stick to pure lines

 

[ahud]

The definition of "bloodline" might mean different things to different people.
If you had a pair of fish whose wild caught parents came from Rio Tumbles, or Tuyra (Tuira), and had no hybrid pollution, this would be worth something to me.
If you had a pair of line bred hybrids with a made up Pokemon name, it would still be worthless to me, because all hybrids are to me, the definition of the term mutt.
But of course, this may be just the opposite for someone else.

You brought up exactly why I found the new trend interesting. For example, hard to find wild fish typically get spread around the same way. Some hobbyist spends a pretty penny to get a pair (person A), and then disperses fry through the hobby. Person B, breeds the fry from the original pair and repeats the process.

I guess with the availability of wild fish, there is no genuine need to change the process at this time. But if we ever lose access to certain countries/locations, our current system would promote inbreeding almost exclusively. I do wonder what the impact on the fish are. There may be such little impact that there is nothing to be concerned about.

 

[ahud]

it ruined the reptile trade, because you had two people breeding the same gene pool under different linage and then that added question over whether they were compatible etc. i have seen the same snake breed by two different people sold under two different linage names but the male was the same one. It got to the point where people were crossing linage to create now linage to grab money and just creating mutt snakes that were actually related. i'm a fan of natural animals, in fact this trend actually hiked up the price on pure line snakes to the point a morph was cheaper than a proven pure line.

that said fish produce too many to really establish a line, if you line breed it means you need to keep most of the offspring, back breed add new blood etc to get a trait worth noting, this inits self leads to inbreeding etc once you have said trait you then have to work out how your going to sale it, reptile keepers only sale females for the first year the males two years later you cant do that with fry.

stick to pure lines

Interesting. I can see how that could just as easily occur. The biggest pro from my perspective is keeping all of the location variants pure. If people are just creating mutts in an effort to make a profit, then anything good coming out of tracking breeding is out of the window.

 

[PYRU]

The whole bloodline moniker deal can be foggy especially when most people have no idea what they're doing and why. You shouldn't be mixing locales and all that anyway. Now if your trying to capture a trait from fish A and a trait from fish B to create a more genetically gifted fish then I see this as a positive.

Take Lyonsi for example. It would be nice to track some sort of lineage on these. Istlanums as well. Just my .02