Bosc monitor and little iguana

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olllie

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Here's Hemp in his temporary enclosure:

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He's real happy with the sand.
But on the moment has no uvB, and a relatively small enclosure,
so I'll have to hurry up building.

The importance of my hobbies; on top its herpetology, #2 is fishkeeping,
and then comes watching the tv. Plants on the side:

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The male and one of the females Leiocephallus schreibersii:

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Also temporary housing.
I really have to speed things up over here.


One of the two Bombina ladies:

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UVB isn't needed with Savs, but that Sand is a no no. Humidity and having a nice deep most substrate to dig in our must haves with them, most do not live past a year because of the lack of these two elements. At least humid but not wet substrate is needed that they can burrow in, most use a mixture of regular soil and loam, I use coconut Coir and Soil mixed together and sprayed nicely once a week, while ambient humidity is 70% at all times
 
Thenx Tellemuno, Sean and John.

And I really appreciate your opinion John, cause together we know all, and alone we might fail.
BUT:
No UVB? Really? What about its former owners who thought they had a bearded dragon,
'till he grew a bit fast.
They had no uvB for him, and it caused the tip of his tail to be croocked for life.
In my opinion UVB is needed for the making of vitamine D3, which the animal cant produce without UVB radiation. Also for a well developed skeleton, UVB is needed.

Furthermore, why is da sand a no no?
What will we tell the monitors in the African desert?

My bosc or sav had all kinds of substrate. Now I gave him sand and he likes it more
than the deep (moist?; savannah monitor) substrate in which he could dig.
He digs more in this sand than in whatever substratre.
And avoiding the ingestion of substrate is simply not done with a bosc, and for all I know
not done with any monitor.
He'll eat his foodbowl if he could.

My question is do you have experience with a bosc?
Because a humidity as on the African plains is recommended.
They live in savannas near water. Not in humid environments with moist soil.
Thats my Colombian teju.
A big bowl in which the bosc can immerse is something whats required.
But also the teju needs that.
And I can see 'cause they thrive.

But no hard feelings and I hope you dont think I feel I know best.
All this info I got from you all.
 
As has been stated before, were they are naturally from is Grass Land and not Desert, they are from a area with very rich Soil. The same is true of the Humidity, Studies have shown that in the Wild Savs are mostly only active in the Wet rainy season in Africa, and as it starts to dry up they move less and less and become dormant and stay in their nice humid burrows until the next rainy season. By giving a Sav in captivity little humidity and a dry substrate, you are mimicking its Dormant period in the Wild, and there fore it will not eat and grow as it should. My newest Sav I got in April when it was only 4 inches long, and it is now over two feet just a few months later because I follow a strict Protocol with Monitors.


1.) It is now well documented Fact that a Rodent only diet or one high in them can and does lead to obesity and eventually death in Savs. Yes they love them and take them easier than they do most other food items, but who doesn't prefer Junk food. In the Wild Savs are more insectivorous by nature, and take the occasional Fish, Bird, Egg, Crab, etc when the opportunity arises and this should be replicated in captivity to the best of one's abilities. Mine gets a mouse once every two weeks, and his main diet is cricket and other assorted insects, boiled eggs, low fat hamburger once a month, and feeder fish.

2.) They demand high temp Basking areas between 120-150, especially if feed a diet high in Rodents. Monitors naturally can tolerate higher basking temps than most of Reptiles, and Sav's higher ones than most other monitors. Bare ion mind when we say high basking temps we are only preferring to surface heat and not ambient air temps. An ambient air temp Gradient of between 84-95 is preferable.

3.) Humidity humidity humidity and then just to make sure, add some more. They need an overall enclosure humidity of between 60-80%, not just a Humid hide and their Substrate should be moist at all times. This is why many state that keeping them in Glass tanks is a no no, because most cannot regulate the high basking temps they need and maintain a temp gradient and proper Humidity. Personally I keep mine in a Large Tank, but I have a Temp and Humidity controlled Reptile room that maintains a stead 84 degrees and 70% humidity. To maintain a gradient in his tank, I elevated his basking spot and use a row of 45 Watt bulbs that lessen the drying out of his tank. I spray it a bit weekly, and doing this it maintain a 75% humidity pretty well. Most do not have this ability though, and a wooden set-up will be needed.

4.) Substrate and lots of it, Savs love to dig and from my own personal observations, those that cannot stress out and do not thrive. They also need structures to dig under IMO. I use a mix of Coconut Coir and Soil mixed together, and then
placed at about a foot in depth in my set-up with flat stones and a rock structure I made to dig underneath which he seems to love. Keep the substrate moist and you will have a very happy Monitor.

5.) A large dish or Tub of Water kept Clean for them to drink in, soak in, and defecate in. My Sav soaks for hours in his tub about once every 8 or so Days, no fail so I always keep his tub full and clean. He defecates in it daily though, which makes cage cleaning easier.

These five things I follow religiously in maintaining My Savs, and I have not had one day, have a hard shed, lose Digits or pieces of it tail, etc.

As to the lack of uvb, this is a touchy Subject because it goes against established Reptile doctrine, but research shows that Monitors get very little Benefit from it and get almost all their D3 from their diet much like a Snake. Of course it doesn't hurt to use on, but from most experts opinion it is useless
 
Nice.
Thanks.
Bit apodictic.

Soil translated in dutch gives earth.
Cant tell me savannas in Afica do not contain vast areas of overgrown sand.
And a well respected monitor will surely never live outside the commandments. As it is written.

And why are you giving me a full caresheet of the savannah monitor?
My bosc thrives.

At last I would like to see you pointing your energy more on those who keep herps in plastic containers.

Yes I feel offended.
And yes monitors need UVB. As do we.
As does anything alive on this planet.
You are able to write your sav doesnt need UVB, due to UVB.
Remember that.
 
Hey Ollie,
Hopefully my post didn't come across as a lecture, I have no right to lecture on the subject since my only experience with a bosc was one which didn't thrive. UVB for any reptile is a great idea, but many can live normal lives without it, especially species which are nocturnal, or that eat whole prey such as snakes and monitors which are given the occasional rodent, as they can get the Vitamin D3 from their food.

I can't be 100% sure, since the book I'm taking this next bit of info from is quite old and may not be accurate, but a lot of animals such as fish and rodents store vitamin D3 in their livers, so assuming your monitor eats the occasional mouse (including the liver), it may well be getting enough Vitamin D3 without the need for a UVB light.

Anyway, as I've already said, your Monitor looks good and seems to be thriving, I certainly didn't mean to offend. To offer a constructive idea, maybe try offering your monitor a tub similar in size to your water bowl, with a few inches of earth in it, and see if he digs around in it. It may be interesting to watch :)

All the best,
Paul
 
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