Bug Bites

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Was wondering what everybody thought about these bug bites. Picked up a bag and feed them to some fish this weekend. My trimac loves them I'm mean he gobbles them up. my question is do u think u could feed them this everyday and have them by healthy. will eat some pellets but nothing like these bug bites. would using these as a staple diet be bad. everything I have read said that in the wild they mostly eat bugs of all sorts thats y I'm asking. thanks
 
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Was wondering what everybody thought about these bug bites. Picked up a bag and feed them to some fish this weekend. My trimac loves them I'm mean he gobbles them up. my question is do u think u could feed them this everyday and have them by healthy. will eat some pellets but nothing like these bug bites. would using these as a staple diet be bad. everything I have read said that in the wild they mostly eat bugs of all sorts thats y I'm asking. thanks


I feed it to some of my fish but personally rotate with other foods. I would worry about fish getting bored of eating it everyday but that's just me lol.
 
thanks that' what I was thinking to I've noticed after 2 days of feeding it. that he won' go after pellets it' like he is waiting for them to be dropped in
 
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I think in a few years most manufacturers will be using insect protein of some sort, I know commercial fishers in Scotland are starting to breed black fly on a industrial scale. I don't know alot about bug bites but would assume other ingredients will tell you if it's a good product or not.
 
thanks for the Input like to hear what u guys have to. your tank looks great by the way.
 
I would personally not feed as a staple, pros and cons to this food posted in the past discussion.

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/bug-bites-anyone-new-fish-food.687253/

Pros

1. all species of fish readily eat it, except one, my adult midas. He prefers anything but, the bugs. I would expect most polys to eat it without too much issue. I suspect the high fat level adds to the taste/smell.

2. A sustainable & novel form of protein is used.

Cons

1. Protein is not just from fly larvae, they also include some form of salmon, fish protein concentrate, and peas. I would have preferred to not see terrestrial plant matter (peas) being utilized as protein (might as well be soybeans), or fish protein concentrate, and would have preferred to see a LOT more fly larvae meal.

2. It's a high energy food with a minimum of 12.5% crude fat, which means the average fat level, or typical analysis, would be closer to 15%. IMO that's far too high for most tropical fish to consume as a daily staple. Especially species of fish that don't expend a lot of energy in an aquarium.

2. No aquatic plant matter. None. No spirulina, no kelp, no form of algae or seaweed. Even fish classified as strict carnivores in nature typically consume some aquatic plant matter via the guts of their prey. I personally like to see aquatic plant matter in all formulas of fish food. The lack of this is a big negative in my book.

3. Potato - why? If the company was more specific one would know, but without further details it could be used as another terrestrial based protein (potato protein concentrate) or as a binding agent (potato starch). Who knows? Either way, no thanks to feeding potatoes to carnivores - the wheat in this formula should suffice as a binding agent.

If combined (peas/potato/wheat) the inclusion rate of terrestrial based plant matter in this formula might be alarming.



Due to the higher protein, and high fat levels, this formula would probably work well as a conditioning food for fish getting ready to spawn, but due to the reasons listed above I would not feed as a daily staple, to polys, or anything else.
 
I think in a few years most manufacturers will be using insect protein of some sort, I know commercial fishers in Scotland are starting to breed black fly on a industrial scale. I don't know alot about bug bites but would assume other ingredients will tell you if it's a good product or not.

Great point.
 
I agree things will inevitably change at some point due to sustainability, cost, and other issues. As far as that goes, ornamental fish food is just one car on a longer train. I'm okay with the prospect of insects, algae (or some other possibilities I've read about, if they prove to make nutritional sense) replacing or partially replacing ingredients that may have become less sustainable, I've been prepared for that for years, but it's a matter of what turns out to be good replacements-- and, soy industry and marketing notwithstanding, soy ain't one of them imo, at least from the literature I've read. Nor feather meal, brewing industry waste, mystery starch, etc.

Personally, looking at Bug Bites ingredients and guaranteed analysis, don't know how excited I am with green peas and potato as ingredients or "high protein" as a description with a stated minimum 40% protein and minimum 12.5% crude fat for the species I keep, at least as a staple compared to what I currently feed. "High protein" might sound good, but aquaculture science is that too high actually retards growth while producing more waste.

That said I'd be interested to see some long term results before forming a strong opinion one way or the other... growth, health, including liver health, longevity, etc.
 
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I think in a few years most manufacturers will be using insect protein of some sort, I know commercial fishers in Scotland are starting to breed black fly on a industrial scale

I wouldn't be so certain of that. Some perhaps, but I don't think most. Other novel sources of protein have most come and gone, such as pea protein. For the same reason as other terrestrial based plants, it's inclusion rate is limited when feeding fish. These novel sources of protein are specifically designed to lower feed costs, by reducing and/or replacing fish protein. But at the end of the day, nothing truly replaces the protein, fat, and growth enhancing substances found in fish. As always, what will drive the pet trade market will be what consumers demand, and what they are willing to pay. With regards to feeding fish, seafood such as fish, krill, etc will always be nutritionally superior, but at some point in the future the cost of those ingredients may outweigh their nutrient profile with some portions of this hobby.

When presented using names such as "bug bites" the purists believe they are feeding insects (Black Soldier Fly) to their fish, when in reality they are feeding BSF larvae, along with a mix of potatoes. peas, wheat, etc. The nutritional composition of BSF larvae depend at least partially on the composition of their feeding medium, so what those larvae are fed on the BSF farm will partially reflect what their nutritional profile is. Obviously this will vary, as will the maximum inclusion rate in feed among various fish species. See below:

www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/6/10/91/pdf
"BSFL meal and oil are already considered to be an animal-grade alternative to fish meal and fish oil used to feed carnivorous fish and in other animal diets, due to their high protein and lipid contents
even when fed plant-based waste streams [65]. The importance of fish meal and oil in aquaculture is well known, but competition with demands for fish for human consumption and depleted fisheries,
among other factors, have brought the supplies of fish meal and oil down and costs up, leading fisheries to search for alternatives such as vegetable oils [66]. BSFL can accumulate lipids in their bodies if fed an appropriately lipid-rich diet, and are generally more palatable to the fish than vegetable oils. Omega-3 fatty-acid-enhanced pre-pupae are produced when the larval diet is supplemented with fish offal [67]. Such “enriched” pre-pupae are suitable fish foods, producing no significant differences
in fish growth and vision development when compared to normal fish meal for feeding the rainbow trout, Oncorhynchus mykiss [68]. Sensory analysis of trout fillets found no differences among fish fed
fish meal, BSFL, or enriched BSFL diets [68]. Another case in rainbow trout recommended defatted BSFL supplementation in the diet of up to 40% without any negative effects on fish physiology or
fillet physical quality, but noted a decrease in desirable polyunsaturated fats [69]. Another study on rainbow trout placed the limit at 15% BSFL in the diet for unaffected fish growth [70]. A study on juvenile Jian carp (Cyprinus carpio var. Jian) found no difference between BSFL oil and soybean oil on growth performance, but decreased carp lipid deposition as the proportion of BSFL oil in the diet increased [66]. In the case of the turbot, Psetta maxima, although BSFL meals had relatively
low palatability and nutritive value, the use of BSFL was still recommended as a feasible, partial replacement for fish meal because it was reared on local greenhouse wastes [65]. Experiments with
African catfish, Clarias gariepinus, found total BSFL substitution of fish meal in diets (where it made up only 25%) had no effect in terms of growth rate and nutrient utilization indices, so BSFL were recommended as an alternative due to their lower cost [71]. Ultimately BSFL’s ability to efficiently produce protein-rich edible biomass from potentially protein-poor organic wastes has led many authors to conclude that BSFL can contribute meaningfully to sustainable aquaculture as partial or total meal
replacement [72–74], including for aquatic invertebrates such as shrimp [75]. BSFL has also been used in poultry feed as a partial replacement for maize or soy"

For commercial fisheries this makes sense, where feed costs can make up as much as 40% of a farms operating costs, but for the average hobbyist with only a few glass boxes, and who plans on keeping their fish for several years, or longer, looking to spare costs isn't typically on the same level as a large scale commercial operation. That, and there is almost no data to support the optimum inclusion rate with ornamental species of fish. I think at this point at best BSFL can be a partial replacement to fish meal. The key will be to pay attention to what follows the "main" ingredient in these foods, so as they are not just a low cost filler feed, with a dash of BFSL.
 
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