California native fish

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Jack Dempsey
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this article popped up while doing a yahoo search "California native fish could disappear with climate change", heres the link http://www.latimes.com/news/science...-fish-climate-change-20130531,0,3475642.story this can effect such awesome fish like the Coho Salmon,Steelhead,Sacramento Pikeminnow , Sacramento Perch,Sacramento Splittail, Tule Perch and Modoc and Razorback suckers, tui and Blue chubs I don't know how it would effect Sleepers; lets here what u guys think!
 
I would think that it's a combine of both climate change and the non-native fishes that were responsible for the California naitves' disappearance.
 
I definately agree with you guys on the facts that overdevelopement. climate change and pollution are all contributors to the decline of natives in Cali; its sad because I really think a lot of these fish are incredibly interesting, ( I used to catch Sacramento Pikeminnows when I lived in Sacto, pretty cool monster minnows).
 
Lose the waters, lose the biotae that rely on those waters. There's more and more demand on water consumption and no prospects of finding alternative sources for water. A boat launch ramp that I used nearly 40 years ago in SoCal is now off-limits due to the fact that the water level is now 85 feet below the end of the ramp. If CA doesn't consider advanced water reclamation (like NYC) and desalination plants the state will eventually dry up completely. California's entitlement of Colorado River water has gone past their allotments for most of the last 2 decades. Today, the Colorado is so overtaxed that it no longer reaches the Gulf of California. It, sadly, just disappears into desert sand. As the population in CA continues to increase the river's plight (or blight) will increase until the river can no longer supply the state. At that time, with no desalination plant or radical reclamation practices in place, it will soon become apparent that the state's 'water days' is merely a fool's ploy to stave off the inevitable.
 
Lose the waters, lose the biotae that rely on those waters. There's more and more demand on water consumption and no prospects of finding alternative sources for water. A boat launch ramp that I used nearly 40 years ago in SoCal is now off-limits due to the fact that the water level is now 85 feet below the end of the ramp. If CA doesn't consider advanced water reclamation (like NYC) and desalination plants the state will eventually dry up completely. California's entitlement of Colorado River water has gone past their allotments for most of the last 2 decades. Today, the Colorado is so overtaxed that it no longer reaches the Gulf of California. It, sadly, just disappears into desert sand. As the population in CA continues to increase the river's plight (or blight) will increase until the river can no longer supply the state. At that time, with no desalination plant or radical reclamation practices in place, it will soon become apparent that the state's 'water days' is merely a fool's ploy to stave off the inevitable.

I agree,.....desalinization plants are being used in rich middle eastern countries to reclaim the desert.....theres no reason we couldn't use them to save our rivers and lakes.
 
The middle east has plants that are combination desalination flash boilers fed by the exhaust of gas-tubine power generators. The plants produce water and power at the same time. The fuel used to round-trip a supertanker can power a city-size plant for a month while omitting the need for the most of the load on that tanker. I used to work at a papermill that began a power project with a small GTG. They eventually shut down the papermill and are just producing electricity to sell back to the grid. Ironically, this generation plant's biggest customer is across state lines in Cali.
 
The middle east has plants that are combination desalination flash boilers fed by the exhaust of gas-tubine power generators. The plants produce water and power at the same time. The fuel used to round-trip a supertanker can power a city-size plant for a month while omitting the need for the most of the load on that tanker. I used to work at a papermill that began a power project with a small GTG. They eventually shut down the papermill and are just producing electricity to sell back to the grid. Ironically, this generation plant's biggest customer is across state lines in Cali.

Yeah that is incredibly intelligent, in cali they have the oil refinery in Martinez I used to drive by that could definitely be use as a power generating desalinization plant and with the bay area right there it would be perfect.
 
The concentrated brine from desalination plants has industrial uses, too. CA has sea-water drying fields all along the coast to provide non-edible salt to paper and chemical industries for use as retention aids and de-icers. That means there are available tracts of land that can readily be used to place desalination plants right now. Not to mention the increase in job numbers for city, county, and state tax revenues.
 
The concentrated brine from desalination plants has industrial uses, too. CA has sea-water drying fields all along the coast to provide non-edible salt to paper and chemical industries for use as retention aids and de-icers. That means there are available tracts of land that can readily be used to place desalination plants right now. Not to mention the increase in job numbers for city, county, and state tax revenues.

It makes too much sense, I doubt any of our politicians will do it with out someone rich behind the venture to line their pockets; I just don't think politicians in the La and Bay area give a dang about the Columbia river and the wildlife and natural treasures it holds and supports.
 
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