calls out to the payara keepers

[Deubie Doo]

last night I made one of the hardist choises of my fish keeping career. my 9& 1/2 inch hydrolycus Armatus was struggling to swim, ramming the sides and spinning upsidown. I took him out of the tank to take the pain away from him and not long he gave in and passed. I got him in the beginning of may around 2-3 inches, had to feed him guppys for a week or two and then switches to minnows. ever since he was 5 inch hes been eating frowen foods like silverside up intill now. the bule prints of the tank are 6x2x30 inch. water has more than enough filtration and airation (over 500 F&A ation in a 210g) waters warm and at 80 and I do more matnence on his tank then all the other 6 tanks I have, compleatly vacuming out the tank 2x aweek taking out 60% weekly. he was in with a stingray, AGTF and a royal ck. the waters clear and clean, if there was something in the water the ray would show it. the ck never is seen in and haves to be forced out of hiding to eat all the way on the other side of the tank were only the goliath gose when hes making his laps in the tank. and the AGTF is small and has never messed with him since I mixed them both together since they were at 5inch and beside the Armatus was larger and alot more aggressive and would always have to be the first to eat so he wouldnt go after anyone running away with his food. when I took him out it looked like his fins were just falling apart. the last one I had died mystearius ly like the other one, just couldnt swim for some reason but at 6 inch. But IDk what happend veryone else is normal, eating awesome and fins look good. and please not Ive kept all3 types of payara even false payaras like c.gibbises the last 5years and the armatus is the only one I had problems with.


IDK if I should try agen, I love payaras but I just dont thing their made for captiv. I would try another tat but the one I had pefor killed and beat up every thing in his tank even larger hardy fish and acted almost armatus like when I walded by and at feeding time.

but a vary sad day and Ill be hard to finde a fish like him.

 

[krichardson]

I was in this same predicament a few years ago.My current armatus is my third and,I told myself,my last.The previous two grew to about nine or ten inches before they just up and died on me.Although mine never did any death spirals I still think the problem was with the frozen smelt that I was feeding them.I have not given my current Armatus any smelt and it seems to be as healthy as can be and it is going on three years that I have had it.


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[Payarakeeper]

How big is your armatus now? After three years?

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[Payarakeeper]

last night I made one of the hardist choises of my fish keeping career. my 9& 1/2 inch hydrolycus Armatus was struggling to swim, ramming the sides and spinning upsidown. I took him out of the tank to take the pain away from him and not long he gave in and passed. I got him in the beginning of may around 2-3 inches, had to feed him guppys for a week or two and then switches to minnows. ever since he was 5 inch hes been eating frowen foods like silverside up intill now. the bule prints of the tank are 6x2x30 inch. water has more than enough filtration and airation (over 500 F&A ation in a 210g) waters warm and at 80 and I do more matnence on his tank then all the other 6 tanks I have, compleatly vacuming out the tank 2x aweek taking out 60% weekly. he was in with a stingray, AGTF and a royal ck. the waters clear and clean, if there was something in the water the ray would show it. the ck never is seen in and haves to be forced out of hiding to eat all the way on the other side of the tank were only the goliath gose when hes making his laps in the tank. and the AGTF is small and has never messed with him since I mixed them both together since they were at 5inch and beside the Armatus was larger and alot more aggressive and would always have to be the first to eat so he wouldnt go after anyone running away with his food. when I took him out it looked like his fins were just falling apart. the last one I had died mystearius ly like the other one, just couldnt swim for some reason but at 6 inch. But IDk what happend veryone else is normal, eating awesome and fins look good. and please not Ive kept all3 types of payara even false payaras like c.gibbises the last 5years and the armatus is the only one I had problems with.


IDK if I should try agen, I love payaras but I just dont thing their made for captiv. I would try another tat but the one I had pefor killed and beat up every thing in his tank even larger hardy fish and acted almost armatus like when I walded by and at feeding time.

but a vary sad day and Ill be hard to finde a fish like him.

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Always try again! We are payara keepers! Not some bubble headed goldfish nonsense! I've lost my share of toothy beasts to disease, random deaths or even to larger preds. Just keep trying and eventually you'll have the setup you've always wanted within reason.. Everyone says I couldent mix multiple gatf and payara. That they would kill each other. That being said I have a pack of 3 gatf,1 vatf, 2 armatus, 2 tatauaia + others that have been together for almost a year now. They shoal together and rarely cause trouble between eachother. Given the proper diet and conditions there shouldn't be a problem. Upon more research I've seen that smelt(silversides) is often the cause of early death in payara.. possibly the preservatives.. but anywho, don't give up, there's always another payara in need of a good aquarist

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[amazontank]

Sorry for your lose. I think Payaras like to jump and get spooked easy. They end up hitting there heads on top of tank and get brain injuries. It amazes me the guys that can keep them alive, i respect them very much. I love Payaras just scared they will eventually hit there head. I think there heads are not very strong.

 

[krichardson]

How big is your armatus now? After three years?

Close to two feet in length.Check some of my recent photo threads,don't won't to derail this one.

 

[lix.ma14]

never give up.

 

[cl0wn knife]

sorry for your loss keep going and dont give up, Armatus are well worth it.

 

[MonsterMinis]

This is why I joined MFK.. a community of other people trying to keep the "impossible" .. GL with your future payara.. you will learn, and teach others with your experiances.. and hopefully the next time around you will be more successful. I'm sorry for your loss.. and I said the same thing when I lost my fire eels.. took me 2yrs.. but atm I have a delightful lil' fire that will hopefully grow up to be big and beautiful.

 

[Deubie Doo]

I was in this same predicament a few years ago.My current armatus is my third and,I told myself,my last.The previous two grew to about nine or ten inches before they just up and died on me.Although mine never did any death spirals I still think the problem was with the frozen smelt that I was feeding them.I have not given my current Armatus any smelt and it seems to be as healthy as can be and it is going on three years that I have had it.


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Ive always fed almost all my fish silverside and Ive never had a problem but with both my armatus. and the very few that I cant switch over I give them live feeders and they seem to be doing better and growing faster. I dont get it. I used to feed my wolffish 8inch shiners from a local fishing shop and I never had a problem. and the people on youtube with the huge armatus they feed them feeder fish. so Im thinking about just switching over to feeders.